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Evgeny Velichko 22nd July 2009 18:50

Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Greetings!

I am trying to find a fate of each Bf110C-7 built. This was a some kind rare aircraft, only 39 were made.

I think some of them were lost during Battle of Britain, and then Balkan Campaign... Does anybody have info about that aircrafts? Losslists could tell us wrong modification but W.Nr. will tell the truth, I think. I saw many times "C-7" was naturally C-2 or D-3... Need just compare W.Nr. with block, mentioned below.

C-7's in Zerstorergeschwader 1:

I and II Gruppe had 1 C-7 each, and both of them are known (see below).

C-7's in Zerstorergeschwader 2:

I./ZG2 had in june 1942 7 Bf110C-7, and 2 were lost due to enemy action in this month.
Then trace of C-7 in this regiment is lost.

II./ZG 2 had 3 C-7 in june 1942, and got 1 more during that month (received from other regiment). 1 of them was lost during month, and trace of others lost (next month Gruppe lost 9 Bf110, and all others were transferred to other regiments).

C-7's in Zerstorergeschwader 26:

Unfortunatly I have no info about Bf110C-7 with I and II Gruppe during 1941-early 1942.

III./ZG26 had in march 1942 7 Bf110C-7, and received 1 more during month (from another unit).

In April, 2 Bf110C-7 was lost w/o enemy action, and 5 were moved to repair. So, 1 left.

That last was lost due to enemy action in june 42.

Totally:

C-7's, converted from C-5 on GWF in july 1940 (4 aircrafts totally - W.Nr. block - 2245 - 2248):

W.Nr.2245 - was damaged while with Stab/St.G. 1 on 29.3.43. on 30% at Fl.Pl. Brjansk
W.Nr.2246 - fate unkn.
W.Nr.2247 - (S9+KK) of 2./ZG 1 was shot down by Flak on 25.11.42.
W.Nr.2248 - fate unkn.

C-7's, converted from C-4 on Miag in july-august 1940 (35 aircrafts totally, W.Nr. block - 3618 - 3652):

W.Nr.3623 - (TD+KD) of Sonderst. (GS) was lost over Esel isle, due to Flak.
W.Nr.3650 of 6./ZG 1 was hit during enemy attack on Krasnodar airfield on 29.09.42.

Warm regards, Evgeny.

John Vasco 23rd July 2009 12:53

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Evgeny,

W. Nr. 2248
Shown in the Petrick/Mankau book as a Bf 110 C-7.

From Luftwaffe loss records:
Bf 110 D-0
W. Nr. 2248
2./Erprobungsgruppe 210
S9+GK
Lost in action on 27th September 1940. Shot down into the English Channel.
Crew: Oblt. Wilhelm-Richard Rossiger (P) Staffelkapitän; Ofw. Hans Marx (Bf). Both killed.

John Vasco 23rd July 2009 13:01

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Another one:

W. Nr.3648
Shown in Petrick/Mankau book as a C-7

From Luftwaffe loss records:
Bf 110 C-4/B
W. Nr. 3648
2./Erprobungsgruppe 210
S9+JK
Lost in action on 17th November 1940. Shot down into the North Sea.
Crew: Uffz. Johannes Kowatsch (P); Uffz. Hans-Georg Bade (Bf). Both killed.

Note: Although this aircraft is given as a 'C-4/B' in the records, I believe that it was probably a 'C-4' that had undergone repair and had bomb racks fitted, and designated as a 'C-7' by the factory. The paperwork which accompanied the aircraft wherever it went would show it as a 'C-4', and therefore at unit level it would be recorded as a 'C-4' with bomb racks, i.e. a C-4/B. Is that logical?

Evgeny Velichko 23rd July 2009 13:44

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
THX for reply, John.

But I thought bombracks were recordered as "M1" or something, as for D-3 and E-1 at that time such munitions were used and recordered... Am I wrong?

Note: "1940's" C-7 are only ex-C-4 and ex-C-5 (according Petrick). But there are many "another" C-7's, wich appear in 1941-44, and their W.Nr.'s are in (most of them) from C-2 blocks. I think that "early" C-7's were made on factory, but "other" C-7's were tuned-up after repair.

Seaplanes 23rd July 2009 18:31

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
According to the RLM production reports it was initially ordered 39 Bf 110C-7 aircraft. Gotha delivered 4 Bf 110C-7 and Miag should have delivered another 35 Bf 110C-7. However, the whole Miag production was delivered with the designation C-4/B. All 39 aircraft came from new production, and as far as I know, no other Bf 110 types were later converted to C-7 configuration.

John Vasco 23rd July 2009 20:21

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seaplanes (Post 89264)
According to the RLM production reports it was initially ordered 39 Bf 110C-7 aircraft. Gotha delivered 4 Bf 110C-7 and Miag should have delivered another 35 Bf 110C-7. However, the whole Miag production was delivered with the designation C-4/B. All 39 aircraft came from new production, and as far as I know, no other Bf 110 types were later converted to C-7 configuration.

Rather flies in the face of what Petrick/Mankau set down in their book, then.

Jim P. 24th July 2009 00:59

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Here's what I have. No guarantee that reported subtypes are correct (Or how final format looks as posted!): , , Bf 110C-7, 3631, n.n., , ZG 26, Stab III., , 3U+BD, TD+KG, , 1941., , , Afrika, Air Fan 11/81 p.16 photo, , , -, F
, , Bf 110C-7, 3037?, Kaschka, Major Karl, , ZG 26, Stab III., grüne A, 3U+AD, , , Kdr. Spring 1941., , , Afrika, Air Fan 11/81 p.14; 10/81 p.26 photo; Luftkrieg über Afrika, II, p.27 photo, , Sicilien, -, F
16-Jan-41, , Bf 110C-7, 3632, n.n., , ZG 26, III., , , TD+KH, , Undercarriage damage., , , X.Fl.Korp/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; FB Caspar Stein, , Palermo, 100%, F
22-Jan-41, , Bf 110C-7, 3505, Ullrich, Uffz. Karl, , ZG 26, I., , , , , Crew killed in crash., Bf Ogefr. Walter Meinert, , Lfl.3/Deutschland, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; Foreman, 1941-The Turning Point, I, p.79, , Memmingen, 100%, H
11-Mar-41, , Bf 110C-7, 2057, Weegmann, Oblt. Horst von, , NJG 3, 1., , L1+BH, , black finish, MIA, believed due to Luftkampf with RAF fighter. Bf KIA., Bf Uffz. Wilhelm Banser, Accidently struck ground per loss and Balss., X.Fl.Korp/Mittelmeer, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; Shores, Cull, et al, Malta:The Hurricane Years, p.166; Air Fan 12/81, p.34, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.18, (Malta), 100%, F
13-Mar-41, , Bf 110C-7, 2245, n.n., , NJG 3, 3., , , NJ+ZS, , Taxiing accident., , , Lfl.2/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.4; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.18; Foreman, 1941-The Turning Point, I, p.238, , Fl.Pl. Vechta, 20%, H
09-May-41, , Bf 110C-7, 3561, n.n., , Zerst.Sch. 1, , , , , , Undercarriage damage during landing., , , Lfl.3/Deutschland, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen usw., p.276, , Fl.Pl. Schließheim, 10%, H
11-Jun-41, , Bf 110C-7, 2247, n.n., , ZG 76, III., , , NJ+ZU*, , Bruchlandung., , Mombeek, Eismeerjäger, V.I, p.288, Lfl.5/Norwegen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Foreman, 1941-The Turning Point, II, p.299, , Fl.Pl. Mandal, 30%, H
30-Jun-41, , Bf 110C-7, 2075, n.n., , NJG 1, 4., , G9+JM, , , Midair collision during Luftkampf training with Bf 110C-4 WNr. 2273., , , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.27, , Fl.Pl. Bergen, 15%, H
06-Jul-41, 03.00, Bf 110C-7, 3607, Macke, Fw., , NJG 1, 1., , G9+DH, TD+GI, , Bauchlandung due to Luftkampf. Bf WIA., Bf Uffz. Walter Kaben, 5/6-Jul per Balss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.23; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.2, FB Caspar Stein, bei Groitrode, 50%, F
22-Jul-41, , Bf 110C-7, 3128, n.n., , Zerst.Sch. 1, , , , , , Undercarriage damage., , , Lfl.3/Deutschland, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen usw., p.371; BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/771, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen und sonstigen Dienstellen, p.25, , Fl.Pl. Neubiberg, 20%, H
25-Jul-41, , Bf 110C-7, 2075, VINKE, Uffz. Heinz, 54, NJG 1, 4., , G9+JM, , , Injured in Notlandung due to engine damage. Bf FSA, killed., Bf Uffz. Gerhard Schlein, RK. 24/25-Jul per Balss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #3)-Vol.5; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.26; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.8; Schuurman, Vliegveld Bergen, p.182 photos, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.29, bei Cocksdorp, Insel Texel (PlQu. 44 88), 80%, F
08-Sep-41, , Bf 110C-7, 2245, n.n., , NJG 3, 3., , , NJ+ZS, , Enemy fire., , , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.6; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.34, , Fl.Pl. Werneuchen, 55%, F
20-Jan-42, , Bf 110C-7, 3593, Damman, Oblt. Berndt, , NJG 4 (ZG 26), 1., , 3U+PH, , , Crew killed due to midair collision with Bf 110D-3 WNr. 3678., Bf Ofw. Paul Barth, WNr. 3678, '3U+FH' per Ring., VIII.Fl.Korps/Eins.Osten/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #4)-Vol.7; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.50; Ring, ZG 26 loss list, , (Bjeler-Gerbatschewka), 100%, F
26-Feb-42, , Bf 110C-7, 3513, n.n., , NJG 3, II., , , , , Crashed due to F becoming disoriented. Crew FSA., , , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.56, , bei Hadersleben, 100%, F
19-Mar-42, , Bf 110C-7, 3635, Kettmann, Ltn. Rolf, , NJG 4 (ZG 26), 1., , 3U+CH, TD+KK, , Crew KIA due to Flak., Bf Uffz. Wilhelm Braun, , VIII.Fl.Korps/Eins.Osten/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #5)-Vol.8; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.59; Ring, ZG 26 loss list, , bei Gshatsk, 100%, F
04-May-42, , Bf 110C-7, 3100, n.n., , NJG 3, II., , , , , Bauchlanding due to icing., , , Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.69, , Fl.Pl. Schleswig, 65%, F
11-Jun-42, , Bf 110C-7, 2097, n.n., , ZG 2, 4., , , BA+CH, , Flak., , Built Gothaer Waggonfabrik AG in Feb 1940., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Mankau/Petrick, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410, p.356, , Charkow, 100%, F
26-Jun-42, , Bf 110C-7, 3637, Jank, Ltn. Wolfgang, , NJG 3, 5., , , TD+KM, , WIA due to Luftkampf with Wellington. Safe landing., , 25/26-Jun per Balss. Grossborn per loss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.9; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.53, , Schleswig-Land, b, F
28-Jun-42, , Bf 110C-7, 2095, Hartmann, Oblt. Willi, , ZG 2, 1., gelbe K, 2S+KL, BA+CF, , Crew WIA due to enemy fighters., Bf Gefr. Siegfried Meyer, Built Gothaer Waggonfabrik AG in Feb 1940., Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Mankau/Petrick, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410, p.356, , (Dogoje), 100%, F
30-Jun-42, , Bf 110C-7, 2891, n.n., , ZG 2, 3., , , , , Flak., , , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10, , Swoboda, 80%, F
08-Jul-42, , Bf 110C-7, 2090, Zarpitzki, Fw. Ernst, , Erg.Zerst.Gr., , , , BA+CA, , Bruchlandung due to pilot error., Bf Gefr. Walter Knauth, Built Gothaer Waggonfabrik AG in Feb 1940., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Polen, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10; Mankau/Petrick, Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210 & Me 410, p.356, , Fl.Pl. Deblin, 70%, H
14-Jul-42, , Bf 110C-7, 3592, Meyer, Ltn. Alwin, , ZG 2, 3., , , , , WIA due to Flak., , , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #6)-Vol.10, , Iwanowka, 80%, F
05-Oct-42, , Bf 110C-7, 2072, Suhre, Uffz. Wilhelm, , NJG 4, 2., , , , , Injured in Bruchlandung due to fuel shortage after Luftkampf., , Bf 110C-4 on 5/6-Oct per Balss., Lw.Bfh.Mitte/Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #7)-Vol.11; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.66; Höhler, Deutsche Nachtjagd Personalverluste, p.91, , bei Attigny, 100%, F
10-Mar-43, , Bf 110C-7, 2891, n.n., , ZG 1, 6., , , , , Enemy fire., , , Lfl.4/Eins.Osten, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #9)-Vol.15; Vasco, The Sting of the LW, p.139, , PlQu. 60 37, 50%, F
14-May-43, , Bf 110C-7, 3050, n.n., , NJG 5, 4., , , , , Crashed due to engine trouble., , Combat flight 'F' per Balss., Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #10)-Vol.17; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.141, , Greifswald, 50%, H
25-Jul-43, , Bf 110C-7, 3044, n.n., , NJG 5, 7., , , , , Taxiing accident., , , Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.19, , Fl.Pl. Kolberg, 60%, H
17-Aug-43, , Bf 110C-7, 3645, n.n., , NJG 101, , , , , , Bauchlandung due to enemy fire., , , Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.187, , bei München-Riem, 15%, H
08-Sep-43, , Bf 110C-7, 2066, Plitsch, Ltn. Heinz-Günther, , KG 2, 13., , U5+UX, , , Crew injured due to hitting obstruction with left wing after low-level gunnery training. Engine damage. Took off from Villaroche., Bf Uffz. Helmut Walschewski, , FR, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #11)-Vol.21; Balke, Der Luftkrieg in Europa, II, p.515, , Fere-Champenoise, 75%, H
06-Nov-43, , Bf 110C-7, 3604, n.n., , NJG 6, 5., , , , , Undercarriage damage., , , Nachtjagd, Gen.Qu.6.Abt. (mfm #12)-Vol.23; Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.252, , Fl.Pl. Echterdingen, 20%, H
18-Nov-43, , Bf 110C-7, 2161, Hänsel, Fw. Günter, , NJG 101, 9., , KD+UE, KD+UE, , Crew killed in crash due to F being afflicted by altitude sickness., Bf Gefr. Jaroslaus Karatnicki, Maybe WNr. 2061 per Balss. SKZ fits WNr. 2161., Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.162, , Olfingen bei Stuttgart, 100%, H
15-Mar-44, , Bf 110C-7, 3561, ./., , NJG 102, , , , , , Bombenwurf., , , Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, II, p.306, , Fl.Pl. Echterdingen, 80%, F
24-Apr-44, , Bf 110C-7, 1390, Kroßkod, Uffz. Hans, , ZG 101, , , , , , Killed in crash due to pilot error. Bf injured., Bf Uffz. Max Lütz, , Lfl. Reich, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.14, , Ellmessen, 100%, H
28-Apr-44, , Bf 110C-7, 2157, Schütz, Ofw. Hans, , ZG 101, , , , KD+UA, , Crew killed due to midair collision with Bf 110C-4 WNr. 3519., Bf Uffz. Eduard Paulik, , Lfl. Reich, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.18; FB Caspar Stein, , bei Rosenheim, 100%, H
16-Jun-44, , Bf 110C-7, 3641, n.n., , Flzg.Führ.Sch. B 38, , , , TD+KQ, , Bauchlandung due to engine trouble., , , Lfl. Reich, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/779, p.106, , bei Marienburg, 80%, H
24-Jul-44, , Bf 110C-7, 3011, ./., , ZG 101, , , , , , Bombenwurf., , , Lfl. 10, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, p.132, , Fl.Pl. Laupheim, 40%, F
24-Jul-44, , Bf 110C-7, 3027, ./., , ZG 101, , , , , , Bombenwurf., , , Lfl. 10, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, p.132, , Fl.Pl. Laupheim, 40%, F
09-Aug-44, , Bf 110C-7, 3274, ./., , Bal.b.Fa.Bachmann & Blumental Öttingen, , , , DE+MP*, , Tiefangriff., , , Lfl. 10, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/780, p.122, , Fl.Pl. Öttingen, 100%, F

Tony Jones 24th July 2009 14:54

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Jim P

A few snippets for your list

3505 BB+UG
3561 PB+OQ
2075 TS+AZ
3513 BB+UO
2891 BO+AF
2072 TS+AW
2066 TS+AQ

Tony

Jim P. 25th July 2009 12:33

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Thanks Tony. The additional information is quite helpful.

Evgeny Velichko 25th July 2009 19:10

Re: Searching a fate of Bf110C-7's.
 
Thank You all gentlemen for answer!


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