P-38 crash Devon UK 26 jan 1943
 

Hi All,
Just when you think you have ended the research trail ......
my never ending search for the details of the a/c that 2 Lt Foreman crashed in ,
I have finally the correct date , etc :-

26th Jan 1943 ,
P-38, 42-2886, 78th Ftr Grp, took off from Portreath for Torch .......

but the report seems to have the wrong serial it gives, 42-2886 , :roll:

internet searches give 42-2886 as a Fairchild PT-19A

Anyone any ideas ?? on the correct serial / codes / sub-type ??
Cheers
Jerry

juat a thought
 

Hi,
an extra thought, 67MU records recovering a P-38 , 2369, [no date ]

presumably. Lockheed F-4A-1-LO Lightning, 41-2369 .

would this type be used in torch ? and 42-2886 is a misprint,
would 78th Ftr Grp, be using a F-4A ?

any suggestions/comments welcome, as usual.
Cheers
Jerry

Hi Jerry - I have a locally written pamphlet about Portreath airfield, Ill dig it out and see what if any reference there is to your guy.

Andy.

ps where ie he buried out of interest??

Hi Andy,
begining to wonder if the serial was, 42-12886.

Initially buried brookwood london , moved 1948, to hillside memorial park, los angeles, california.

seems also that on 20th july 43 a was P-38 was dedicated and named after him
Cheers
Jerry

Devon?
 

If he was flying from Portreath (Cornwall) to North Africa, how did he come to crash in Devon, I wonder?

Foremans a/c
 

Hi,

These are the P38's lost in the UK area of operations in January to March 1943 as far as i can find.

They can be illiminated from the search ( You may have done so already).

15th Jan 43
Crashed
P38G 42-12920 Kenneth V. Burnett 13 PS crashed Lancashire, pilot killed.

26th Jan 43
P38F 43-2135 Jacj R. Bbr4own 78FG 82FS.
Crash
P38F 43-2148 Richard L.Rope killed in crash at Albufeira, Portugal on ferry flight.
Missing
P38F 41-7576 Donald S. Beals 78FG, 83 FS.
one of a flight of 9 a/c on a ferry flight to Gibraltar.
Salvaged
P38G 42-12905 Henry L. Perry jr 78FG, 83 FS.
mid air collision over Yorkshire with
P38G 42-12928 Stephen L. White 78FG, 83 FS
Both pilots killed.

15th Feb 43
Crashed
F-5A 42-12774 Earl W.Bierer 13 PS.
Pilot baled over Bucks.

28th Feb 43
Salvaged
P38G 43-12988 Harry H. Vogelsong 78FG.
One of 6 a/c taking off on ferry flight , a/c ground looped pilot safe.

2nd March
Crashed
P38/F-5A serial ? Jerome L. Foreman Unit unknown.
A/c crashed on Dartmoor, Devonshire pilot killed.

It would be great to know the pilots names and a/c serial numbers of those on the ferry flights dated above. How many completed the trip ?

As for the PT19B serial number yes it was .

And 42-2886 , most likely to be 42-12886 agreed.

All for now.

Alex

Foremans a/c correction of earlier mail
 

IHi,

These are the P38's lost in the UK area of operations in January to March 1943 as far as I can find.

They can be illiminated from the search ( You may have done so already).

15th Jan 43
Crashed
P38G 42-12920 Kenneth V. Burnett 13 PS crashed Lancashire, pilot killed.

26th Jan 43
P38F 43-2135 Jack R. Brown 78FG 82FS.
Crash
P38F 43-2148 Richard L.Rope killed in crash at Albufeira, Portugal on ferry flight.
Missing
P38F 41-7576 Donald S. Beals 78FG, 83 FS.
one of a flight of 9 a/c on a ferry flight to Gibraltar.
Salvaged
P38G 42-12905 Henry L. Perry jr 78FG, 83 FS.
mid air collision over Yorkshire with
P38G 42-12928 Stephen L. White 78FG, 83 FS
Both pilots killed.

15th Feb 43
Crashed
F-5A 42-12774 Earl W.Bierer 13 PS.
Pilot baled over Bucks.

28th Feb 43
Salvaged
P38G 43-12988 Harry H. Vogelsong 78FG.
One of 6 a/c taking off on ferry flight , a/c ground looped pilot safe.

2nd March
Crashed/salvaged
P38/F-5A serial ? Jerome L. Foreman Unit unknown.
A/c crashed on Dartmoor, Devonshire pilot killed.
(Note Jerry's new date for this crash - where was your new info from jerry ? and where did you find the serial number ? ).

It would be great to know the pilots names and a/c serial numbers of those on the ferry flights dated above. How many completed the trip ?

As for the PT19B serial number yes it was .

And 42-2886 , most likely to be 42-12886 agreed.

All for now.

Alex

foreman
 

Hi All,
date is now correct for foreman's crash, 26-01-43 , a/c & pilot found 01 mar 43, report from US.
odd as states :-
left Portreath, on his return to UK he was last seen in the vicinity of dartmoor,
so presumably weather or mechanical problems forced him to abort the flight.
think 42-12886 is probably the correct serial and the '1' is missing, or maybe was 43-2886 a P-38 ?
Cheers
Jerry

Alex
have you checked your Pm's
Tony Kearns

Foreman and P-38 loss.
 

Hallo Jerry,

I have never before seen Foreman's name mentioned in connection with the 78th FG or the P-38 renforcements for North Africa.

Have you tried to obtain his IDPF (Individual Deceased Personnel File) from the US Army Total Personnel Command ? Though it will take many months to arrive it should answer all your questions.

Regards,

Martin Gleeson.