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barkas 13th February 2011 15:01
Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
Hallo,
please, do you know more details about crash of Ju 88 A4 wnr.2016 of Gr.Kampffl.Sch 3 somewhere in the Alps on 7 Feb 1942?? Do you know the crashplace?

The crewmembers were Gefr. Fröschl, Rolf(Sch), Ltn. Eisenhardt, Karl(Sch), Uffz. Riesemann, Filli(Sch), Gefr. Klug, Fritez(Sch), one of them died.

I have a document about crash of Ju 88 "Red 41" on tail without crew in winter 1941/42, maybe Ju 88 wnr.2016 is right candidate, isn´t it?

Stig Jarlevik 13th February 2011 23:09
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
No answer I'am afraid Barkas

However Wnr 2016 has been listed in the past as an A-1.
I have practically nothing on the WNr of the Ju 88 so I may be way out here....

Cheers
Stig

RT 15th February 2011 17:22
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
Date reported is really 7.Febr. 42 , quite sure as a rule for that FOrum to post dates using figures , but for sure many fehlers would be missed...



Remi

barkas 15th February 2011 19:13
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 


Hallo Remi, so many planes!
774/2_07
42.12.08
BM
Erp.Stelle Rechlin
Bei Rechlin, Absturz
Ju 88 D1 wnr3016 100 %
Lt. Winkler, Albrecht 1(1)--
Uffz. Vegel, Alfred 1/-/-

secondly:


774/4_20
43.02.23
BM
FFS C 8
bei Wiener-Neustadt Absturz infolge Motorstörung, Aufschlagbrand
Ju 88 A5 wnr2016 95%
Uffz.Bien,Karl(F)
Uffz.Keil,Arno(Sch)
Gefr.Voit,Heinz(Sch) 3/-/-

and

770/2_02
41.03.18
2
Erg.KGr 6
Perleberg Bruchlandung
Ju 88 A5 wnr.2016 10%
-/-/-

and finally the missing plane:

772/2_08
42.02.07
BM
Gr.Kampffl.Sch 3
Vermutl.i.den Alpen Vermutlich Absturz
Ju 88 A4 wnr2016 (folgt) 100%
Gefr. Fröschl, Rolf (Sch)
Ltn. Eisenhardt, Karl (Sch)
Uffz. Riesemann, Filli (Sch)
Gefr. Klug, Fritez (Sch) 1/-/3

By Verlust only one man of four crewmember died, do you know who? It help for search in Volksbund database.

RT 15th February 2011 21:21
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
Fröschl was the name of the one who, for sure , died

Rémi

barkas 17th February 2011 23:09
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
Thank Remi,
but I find no statement about Rolf Fröschl, or his fate.

Matti Salonen 20th February 2011 10:34
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
I guess, that WNr. should be 142016. NVM gives the other crew members missing.

Matti

DB601E 21st February 2011 12:44
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
Hi Matti,

is NVM giving more details about the place/location of this loss?


Greetings

Lino

Matti Salonen 21st February 2011 17:25
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
Unfortunately not (Vermutl. i. den Alpen).

Matti

Jim P. 22nd February 2011 23:48
Re: Ju 88 cr. somewhere in Alps on 7 Feb 1942
 
I would have to agree with Matti as to the WNr. 2016 actually being WNr. 142016 - if it was indeed a Ju 88A-4. This WNr. fits in with the earliest losses for this WNr. block. On the other hand, if it was actually an A-5, WNr. 2016 would fit as well. Either WNr. fills a 'hole' in my database - so far, though I have a 10% loss for WNr. 2016 in Mar-41 for Erg.Kampfgr. 6. Still working on 42 Schulen losses, and Matti is way ahead of me on recording of all this stuff!


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