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Bogdan 17th August 2005 13:57

JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
Hello, does anyone know how many of these casualities were reported for 1943 in these units? i mean pilots kia, kifa,mia and wia with no more combat. Please respond, thanks anticipated.Bogdan

S Heisey 19th October 2005 05:52

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
Google "MIA jg/77' YOU SHOULD FIND ERIC MOMBEEK'S SITE,. this will get you most of the information you're seeking

Laurent Rizzotti 19th October 2005 11:16

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
A list of the losses of JG 52 is available on the Net: http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlus..._vl_chrono.htm

For 1943, JG 52 lost:
55 KIA
9 KIFA
4 POW
52 MIA
so at least 120 lost pilots
But they were also
1 interned in Turkey
2 "MIA" who returned later to the unit
49 WIA
3 WIFA
At least some of them were also probably "lost", at least never flew again.

Nefiakoff 10th October 2006 12:58

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
H.Ring/W.Girbig – “Jagdgeschwader 27”, p. 339-362; JG 27 losses in 1943:

Stab/ JG 27

WIA – 1

I./ JG 27

KIA – 18, MIA – 1, WIA – 16 / total 35
including
Hpt. Heinrich Setz, Gruppenkommandeur, KIA 13.03.43 (138 vic)
Hpt. Erich Hohagen, Gruppenkommandeur, WIA 1.06.43
Oblt. Karl von Lieres und Wilkau, Staffelkapitän 3./ JG 27, KIA 11.06.43 (31 vic)
Hpt. Hans Remmer, Staffelkapitän 1./ JG 27, WIA 2.11.43

II./ JG 27

KIA – 23, MIA – 25 (+1 came back), POW – 2, WIA – 24 / total 74
incl.
Oblt. Rudolf Sinner, Staffelkapitän 6./ JG 27, WIA 24.03.43
Hpt. Ferdinand Vögl, Staffelkapitän 4./ JG 27, WIA 19.04.43
Hpt. Ernst Börngen, Staffelkapitän 5./ JG 27, WIA 16.07.43
Oblt. Hebert Schramm, Staffelkapitän 5./ JG 27, KIA 1.12.43 (43 vic)

III./ JG 27

KIA – 18, MIA – 7, POW – 1 (+1 came back), WIA – 11 / total 37
incl.
Oblt. Wolf Ettel, Staffelkapitän 8./ JG 27, KIA 17.07.43 (124 vic)
Oblt. Günther Hannack, Staffelkapitän 7./ JG 27, POW 5.03.43 (47 vic)

IV./ JG 27

KIA – 18, MIA – 9, POW – 1, WIA – 6 / total 34
incl.
Hpt. Joachim Kirschner, Gruppenkommandeur, KIA 17.12.43 (188 vic)


TOTAL losses of JG 27 in 1943:

KIA – 77, MIA – 42 (+1), POW – 4 (+1), WIA – 58 / 181 pilots

But this was only prelude – losses in 1944 were horrible...

Nef

Jens 11th October 2006 09:41

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
JG-77 181 lost pilots versus 175 lost pilots of JG-52, very close figures.

kalender1973 11th October 2006 11:17

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurent Rizzotti
A list of the losses of JG 52 is available on the Net: http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlus..._vl_chrono.htm

For 1943, JG 52 lost:
55 KIA
9 KIFA
4 POW
52 MIA
so at least 120 lost pilots
But they were also
1 interned in Turkey
2 "MIA" who returned later to the unit
49 WIA
3 WIFA
At least some of them were also probably "lost", at least never flew again.

And additionly 4 pilots from DRK Suchliste

Jens 11th October 2006 16:41

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
Now even 179 vs. 181!

RT 11th October 2006 20:03

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
So just missing the JG53

Dead/wounded/vermisst

ST 1/4/-
I 26/32/40
II 22/34/19
III 25/46/15
IV -/-/6

REMI

Nefiakoff 11th October 2006 20:31

Re: JG 27, 52,53 and 77 pilot losses for 1943
 
Thanks a lot.

So it is: JG 27 181, JG 52 179, JG 53 270 (!).

More about JG 27:

I./ JG 27
02-08.43 Rechsverteidigung/Western – 26 pilots
09-12.43 Austria – 9 pilots

II./ JG 27
02-07.43 Mediterranean – 51 pilots
09-12.43 Reichverteidigung/Western – 23 pilots

III./ JG 27
04-12.43 Mediterranean/Grece/Italy – 37 pilots

IV./ JG 27
05-12.43 Mediterranean/Grece/Balkans – 34 pilots

II. Gruppe had twice bigger losses then others, specially when it was operating in Mediterranean area, which should be (in theory) easier.

Do you have info about losses of the other JGs in this year – Kanalgeschwadern or JG 3, 51, 54, 77 ?

Regards

Nef


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