Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/index.php)
-   Allied and Soviet Air Forces (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/forumdisplay.php?f=7)
-   -   OBD Memorial VVS losses database. (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=18604)

Evgeny Velichko 21st October 2009 21:48

OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
OBD Memorial (United Data Base “Memorial”) now have a scans from original archive documents of VVS, mainly “Lists of personnel losses”.

I think it is worth to post a thread here, as it will have some use.

MUCH appreciated to all members of Russian Aviation Hystory forum.


Instructions:

1.Follow the link, it will open a first page of Book
2. To see next page, change last character of .jpg image adress in browser adress field (for example You opened http://www....00000000.jpg, to see page #2 You need to change last “0” character to “1”, so it will be http://www....00000001.jpg). Further pages – as previous. NOTE: for books of some regiments there are more than 150 pages!!!

Now, a list of regiments:

Mixed Regiments
1 SAD http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...5/00000000.jpg
7 SAD http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...6/00000000.jpg
10 SAD http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg
11 SAD http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...5/00000000.jpg
21 SAD http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg

Fighter regiments:

http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg 275 IAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 7 GIAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg 5 GIAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg 22 GIAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg 269 IAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...5/00000000.jpg 3GIAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 256 IAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg 279 IAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...6/00000000.jpg 7 IAK
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 4 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 195 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 195 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg - 774 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 43 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 162 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 866 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 42IAP/133 RIAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 586 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 133 IAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg - 1 Fighter Army PVO

Assault regiments

http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...8/00000000.jpg - 175 ShAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 277 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg 227 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg VVS 4VA, 281 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000000.jpg 197 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...8/00000000.jpg 227 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...0/00000000.jpg 1 GSHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...0/00000000.jpg 199 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...0/00000000.jpg 289 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 3 GSHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 197 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...6/00000000.jpg 280 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...9/00000000.jpg 281 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...0/00000000.jpg 214 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...0/00000000.jpg 281 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 289 SHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000000.jpg 1 GSHAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...0/00000000.jpg - 175 ShAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 955 ShAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 237 ShAP

Bomber regiments:

http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg 132 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg 276 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 45 TBAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 53 ADD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 113 BAD-228 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg 1 ГBAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg 1 ShkBAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg 293 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...5/00000000.jpg 14 ГBAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...5/00000000.jpg 113 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...6/00000000.jpg 51 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...6/00000000.jpg 334 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...8/00000000.jpg 334 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg 293 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...5/00000000.jpg 218 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000000.jpg 132 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000000.jpg 325 НBAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...8/00000000.jpg 2 ГTBAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...9/00000000.jpg 53 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg - 132 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 815 BAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 453 BAP 218 BAD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...9/00000000.jpg - 452 BAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 14 AP ADD/11 GBAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000000.jpg - 46 GNBAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 313 RAP/313 ShAP
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 40 SBAP/40 DRAP

Different regiments:

http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...0/00000000.jpg 3 RAG
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...3/00000000.jpg 3 RAG
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg 3 RAG


http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...2/00000000.jpg 41 AD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg 23 AD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg 284 AD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000000.jpg 81 AD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000000.jpg 1 ATD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...6/00000000.jpg 40 AD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...9/00000000.jpg 3 AD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg 2 UAG
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...1/00000000.jpg - 101 TrAP/31 GAP ADD
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...4/00000000.jpg - 14 VA

List of regiments are in progressive work, each week there appeared more and more regiments. For example, Fleet aviation (Northern and Baltic) already done.

yogybär 21st October 2009 22:29

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
Thank you, Evgeny! Very interesting!

I wish this thread could be made "sticky"...

Adriano Baumgartner 15th December 2009 11:33

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
EVGENY,
It is the first time I ever see such a thing...a Russian ORB! Thanks indeed for sharing this information with others.
However, I must NOT be the only one to be curious to know just one thing: We can see there are 16 columns. Although most of us ( me included on this batch ) DO NOT understand Russian, we can have an idea of the meaning:
Column 3: Take off time
Column 6: Names of pilots
Column 7: DATE 25/6/41 - for example
HOWEVER, if you are Russian, COULD YOU give us a hand ONLY to understand what are the meanings of the other columns? It would be a START to try to get the information we are looking for: losses and claims, and try to match with LW records.
MANY thanks indeed for sharing this.
All the best on your researches about SKG 210!
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

Evgeny Velichko 15th December 2009 11:42

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
Adriano - I'll try to do the best.

THX

Evgeny Velichko 15th December 2009 11:58

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
Фамилия, Имя, Отчество (or Ф.И.О.) - Last Name, First name, Second name

Воинское звание - Military Rank

Должность и специальность - Duty and specialisation

Партийность - Communist Party Membership (if yes - from what daty)

Место и год рождения - place and date of birth

Каким РВК (Районный Военный Комиссариат) из какой области призван - Where he entered army service, from what region and district.

Когда и по какой причине выбыл - When he dismisses, and the reason of it.

For example:
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...7/00000005.jpg

Quote:

Сгорел над целью в районе Завялы - Смоленская обл. 23.6.44
Burned over the target in area of Zavyaly, Smolensk reg., on 23.6.44
Quote:

--//--
Same
Quote:

23.6.44 не возвр. (возвратился) с боевого задания
On 23.6.44 did not return from combat mission
Quote:

2.7.44 погиб над целью
2.7.44 died (killed) over target
Quote:

5.7.44 сбит над целью
5.7.44 shot down over target

Где похоронен - Where buried

Имя, отчество, фамилия, адрес жены или родителей - Name and adress of wife or parents.

*******
Hope it helps

Adriano Baumgartner 16th December 2009 02:40

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
EVGENY,
That was very kind of yours to translate the main headlines and tittles. That will help us a lot, since most of the text is hand-written. We can ( most of us ) at least have a good insight of what is being described.
I remember when I asked a Brazilian born to translate some letters and Combat missions from former Luftwaffe pilots I had communicate with...the same problem: it was OLD German...and most of people did not understand!
I am very glad and thankful towards you...A lot of new information and a new world of perspectives in cross-checking LW claims and losses over the Eastern Front.
May you have a nice week Evgeny...and if you ever come to Brazil, please let me know...lot of waterfalls nearby, really lovelly.
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

Nikita Egorov 16th December 2009 09:29

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
Adriano,

This base is no good instrument for matching losses to LW records, since it contains mostly irretrievable losses of crews. The info given is not enabling to draw any conclusions.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Adriano Baumgartner (Post 97507)
EVGENY,
That was very kind of yours to translate the main headlines and tittles. That will help us a lot, since most of the text is hand-written. We can ( most of us ) at least have a good insight of what is being described.
I remember when I asked a Brazilian born to translate some letters and Combat missions from former Luftwaffe pilots I had communicate with...the same problem: it was OLD German...and most of people did not understand!
I am very glad and thankful towards you...A lot of new information and a new world of perspectives in cross-checking LW claims and losses over the Eastern Front.
May you have a nice week Evgeny...and if you ever come to Brazil, please let me know...lot of waterfalls nearby, really lovelly.
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner


308_MiGol 23rd December 2009 23:01

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 94443)
OBD Memorial (United Data Base “Memorial”) now have a scans from original archive documents of VVS, mainly “Lists of personnel losses”.

I think it is worth to post a thread here, as it will have some use.

(...)

List of regiments are in progressive work, each week there appeared more and more regiments. For example, Fleet aviation (Northern and Baltic) already done.

Hello,

Latest I often use the OBD "Memorial". Thanks to this GREAT database and informations from our witnesses we were able to determine the names of soviet airmen and date of kills of soviet planes over Silesia (near Cieszyn), southern Poland, in 1945: one Il-2 Sturmovik from the 996th ShAP, 224th ShAD, 8th ShАK, 8th VA and one A-20 Boston from the 242nd BAP 321st BAD, 8th VA.
More (in Russian) in topic "Поиск советских самолетов сбитых в 1945 году над Цешинской Силезей (Южная Польша)"
http://forums.airforce.ru/showthread...0547#post50547

So, I have one question for Mr. Evgeny Velichko: when on the "Memorial" will be the next units of 8-я Боздушная Армия BBC СССР (4-й Украинский фронт)???
Is it only 227th ShAD?
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/221/Memor...8/00000000.jpg
Impatiently waiting for: 224th ShAD, 321st BAD, 10th and 15th GIAD and 100th OKRAP, 8th ORAP...

Best regards
Grzegorz = Gregory = Григорий (but no Шакашвили :-)

308_MiGol 1st March 2010 20:13

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
Nothing new in this topic?
It is a pity!

konev2010 29th June 2010 16:27

Re: OBD Memorial VVS losses database.
 
Did you want a list of the VVS and ADD Aviation Regiments that were in the Operational Army during the war?
I don't have the Aviation Regiments in the PVO nor the Aviation Squadrons or Flights done yet.

That might help with the search of the Regiments.

Can you also type up the worksheets also (Cyrillic is fine). My written Cyrillic is extremely poor.

konev2010


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 21:53.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net