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Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

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Originally Posted by Larry Hickey (Post 70693)

It appears that the aircraft in question must have been flown by Hoyos' successor, who, although unknown, was a highly successful pilot during the Battle of Britain. So who was this pilot?

Larry:

I am currently working on ZG76 StaKs list (together with other ZG's), and this what I have:

5./ZG1:
Hptm. Roderick Küppers, KiA on 13.5.40
Oblt. Günther Schmidt, WIA on 11.6.40
Hptm. Max Graf Hoyos, 26.6.1940 Staffel renamed 8./ZG76

8./ZG 76
Hptm. Max Graf Hoyos KiA on 11.08.1940
Hptm. Günther Schmidt, WiA 14.08.1940
NN, (Acting) to unknown date.
Hptm. Günther Schmidt, 24.04.1941 Staffel renamed 5./SKG210

Do You know, what is score of G.Schmidt?

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

Evgeny,

I have no info on victory claims by Günther Schmidt in either 5./ZG1 or 8./ZG76.

Regards,

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

What do You have about Lt. Dietrich Weyergang, exept that he was, together with several pilots of III./ZG76, later transferred to 1.(Z)/JG77.

Also, I have found on Luftwaffe on North:

16-04-1941, Bf110 C-4,Zerstörerstaffel 7./ZG 76, Herdla, WNr. 3271, 2N + DR British A/C, 252 Sqn Beau, 28%, Oblt. Hans Kriegel (Kpt) (w), Lan/Sda/ on airfield Herdla

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

I have noticed in going through Dr. Theo Boiten's 'Nachtjagd War Diaries', Volume 1, that as he lists the claim numbers for many of the early NF guys, the scores start at >1 which indicates earlier Zerstorer claims - a couple have some details of those earlier claims. This includes guys like Lent, Kaldrack, Woltersdorf. This could provide some clues?

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

Kaldrack never was a nightfighter... But is there some details of his early claims - would be interesting!

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

Larry:

Ofw. Franz Meissl, flew with III./ZG76> II./SKG210> II./ZG1, and later transferred to 9./ZG26 (??? not sure), and later back to 6./ZG1. KiA on 22.2.1944, had (sourse unknown) 11 victories.

What Do You know about this little known pilot during 1940?

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

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Originally Posted by Larry Hickey (Post 70693)

Regarding 5./ZG1-8./ZG76, we now have four known photos of the scoreboard of Bf110C 2N+AN showing from 3 to 7 victory tabs. We don't know who this StaKap was, but it appears that all of these photos date to the BoB period, so would apply to the StaKap of 8./ZG76. The 5th Staffel lost two StaKap during the FC, Hptm. Roderick Küppers, SD and KIA 13.5.40, and his successor, Oblt. Günther Schmidt, who was SD and WIA on 11.6.40. Neither of these could have run up seven victories during the FC. It appears that Hptm. Max Graf Hoyos succeeded Oblt. Schmidt, and subsequently took command of 8./ZG76 in July. However, he was SD and killed on Aug. 12th, so he would have been unlikely to have scored enough victories to be the pilot of 2N+AN with the 7-victory scoreboard. He is, however, believed to have scored at least a couple of victories during the FC. It appears that the aircraft in question must have been flown by Hoyos' successor, who, although unknown, was a highly successful pilot during the Battle of Britain. So who was this pilot?

Larry:

I think You are talking about Bf110C 2N+AN, pictured in "Zerstorer: The Messerschmitt 110 and its Units in 1940" by J.Vasco and P.Cornwell?

Page 40. Bf110C, 2N+AN (A black outlined in white), with 7 blank white victory bars. A/c wears early style "green splinter" camou.

Page 192. Bf110C, 2N+AN (A black outlined in white), with 6 or 7 blank white victory bars. A/c wears early style "green splinter" camou.

WHAT IF 2N+AN IS NOT an aircraft of StaffelKapitan?

Now look on this a/c (it is not 1940 period, but anyway:)

Fw. Herbert Kutscha flew Bf110E S9+AN during 22.6.41 - at least early 1942 (5./ZG1 leaved Orel-West Fl.Pl. in January 1942, and left crippled S9+AN there), when he got new Bf110 S9+NN (S9+AN was Oblt. Viedebannt's aircraft for summer 1942). You may see tail removing works on photo below.

Victory bars are blank white, so we are not sure, what nation were of victims - RAF, Holland AF, or Swiss.

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

Larry:

I have here a photo of rear fuselage of Bf110E-2, W.Nr. 4106, wich was shot down on on 24.08.1941 on Eastern Front. It is S9+EM, a 4./SKG210 aircraft. Tally stands at least 6 victoryes, 4 of them looks like roundels above victory bars. That means, pilot claimed them while was in 7./ZG76.
Pilot, who flew that aircraft and was killed on 24.8.41 was Lt. Harry Wiesner. I am not sure if it was his personal mount, but... Who knows.

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

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Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 97445)

Larry:

Ofw. Franz Meissl, flew with III./ZG76> II./SKG210> II./ZG1, and later transferred to 9./ZG26 (??? not sure), and later back to 6./ZG1. KiA on 22.2.1944, had (sourse unknown) 11 victories.

What Do You know about this little known pilot during 1940?

No he wasn't...

Re: Need victory claims info for II./ZG1 later III./ZG76

My mistake, he was just wounded, not killed.