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Nick Hector 7th April 2018 02:56

Re: JG 52 victories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nokose (Post 250413)
12 Nov 1941 16:10 - 17:10 (MT)
3 MiG-3 and 2 I-16 made a flight to cover 3 SB bombers of the 150 SBAP to bomb German forces at Ruza. From the mission did not return the MiG-3 of the 180 IAP flown by Lt. Nikita Borovoy. He returned by other means to his regiment on the 15 Nov 1941 (He would actually become MIA on the 20 Jan 1942.

Oblt. Siegfried Simsch 5/JG 52 shot down an I-18 (18) 15:40 but gave no location.

Cheers Michael,

Do we know a cause for Borovoy's final loss on January 20, 1942?

Nokose 22nd March 2022 06:23

Re: JG 52 victories
 
I haven’t post on my “unit victories” in a while and I came across these for JG 52. The information comes from 12 BAD reporting.

3 July 1941 area of Zembin (Belarus) on 43 BBAP bombing mission and lost 4 Polikarpov R-ZET in an air battle with Bf 109s.
R-ZET (2110) Ml. Lt. Stephan Kucherov (KIA)
R-ZET (1797) Ml. Lt. Mikhail Rozhkov (KIA)
R-ZET (2277) Ml. Lt. Anatoly Keyv (MWIA)
R-ZET (2252) unknown

Fw Heinz Schmidt 4/JG 52 RZ (2) 19:03
Oblt. Siegfried Simsch 4/JG 52 RZ (2) 19:18 and RZ (3) 19:19
Obgefr. Hans Sembill 4./JG 52 RZ (1) 19:19

Nokose 18th April 2022 05:35

Re: JG 52 victories
 
25 September 1942
Il-2 502 ShAP Kapitan Vasiliy Minaev (POW) crashed north of Maykopa

Lt. Walter Krupinski 4/JG 52 Il-2 (42) 05:03 PlQu. 05342

Nokose 19th April 2022 00:27

Re: JG 52 victories
 
28 August 1944
Yak-9D (#2715390) 122 IAP Ml. Lt. Igor Lin’kov
Crashed Bardo - Huta Nowa, Poland

Hptm. Adolf Borchers Stab I/JG 52 Yak-9 12:51 PlQu. 01296 at 1500 m

HGabor 19th April 2022 01:53

Re: JG 52 victories
 
Yak-9, No.2715390 has to be a Yak-9M model, not D.
Gabor

PS: For those, interested in JG 52 victories, our new book is right on the subject. True, it focuses on II./JG 52. It will list many of their 1944-1945 victories in details:

https://www.helion.co.uk/military-hi...f852db2eb5b55a

Nokose 19th April 2022 04:34

Re: JG 52 victories
 
Gabor, the D came from a source in Moscow in which a relative of the pilot was trying to find out the actual location of the crash.

HGabor 19th April 2022 05:28

Re: JG 52 victories
 
Thank you, but I am afraid it is incorrect. I am saying this because I think all Yak-9 batch after no.25 (at Factory No.153 in Novosibirsk) were Yak-9Ms. Also, all of my plane records around 2715390 from batch No.26, 27, 28... were Yak-9M version.

Too bad, I cannot attach quick pics here, but eg. in the 17 VA's April 1, 1945 AC inventory ALL Yak-9s between 2515380 - 5415377 (including two from the 27153xx series) were Yak-9M model! They simplified/unified the airframe production in the 'M' (modernized) version after batch No.25, because the location of the cockpit of the main 'D' and 'T' versions were in different spots in the fuselage. Thus maintenance and repair was difficult on the frontline airfields, so after batch No.25 they just built the 'M' version.
Cheers,
Gabor

Nokose 19th April 2022 20:54

Re: JG 52 victories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HGabor (Post 318588)
Thank you, but I am afraid it is incorrect. I am saying this because I think all Yak-9 batch after no.25 (at Factory No.153 in Novosibirsk) were Yak-9Ms. Also, all of my plane records around 2715390 from batch No.26, 27, 28... were Yak-9M version.

Too bad, I cannot attach quick pics here, but eg. in the 17 VA's April 1, 1945 AC inventory ALL Yak-9s between 2515380 - 5415377 (including two from the 27153xx series) were Yak-9M model! They simplified/unified the airframe production in the 'M' (modernized) version after batch No.25, because the location of the cockpit of the main 'D' and 'T' versions were in different spots in the fuselage. Thus maintenance and repair was difficult on the frontline airfields, so after batch No.25 they just built the 'M' version.
Cheers,
Gabor

You are probably right about the “M” as I have not dealt into the factory make up. The location, time and circumstances of the loss of Lin’kov though is correct. Does your book include any of the claims for the Leningrad sector in 1941?

HGabor 19th April 2022 20:59

Re: JG 52 victories
 
No, because it was written on the JG 52 aerial victories claimed over Hungary in 1944-1945. (Other than Hungary, we also analyzed Erich Hartmann's May 8, 1945 Yak-9 claim over Brno for a special reason.)
Cheers,
Gabor

Adriano Baumgartner 19th April 2022 22:55

Re: JG 52 victories
 
Please do excuse me joining the thread about JG 52 claims and victories.
I first read Hauptmann Lipfert's book/war diary, in 1998 and am re-reading it now, again.

Just for curiosity, since I do not research or write about JG 52 or any of their airmen, would you have (those who research the Eastern Front Aerial Combats) more details about two of his claims that he possibly claimed a Russian Ace?

23 January 1944
84th Aerial Victory - Lipfert - Kerch 07:08hs - YAK 7
Pg. 85: "I am M...., help me, I'm married and have a wife and children...Perhaps the matter would have bothered me for some time had not the same listening post brought news four days later (28 January), that my comrad M....was again racing lustily about the sky. He had come down safely by parachute and had then been fished out of the water by his comrades. Perhaps he later shot down some of us."

27 October 1944
152nd Aerial Victory - Lipfert -near Büd Sz.Mihaly 12:21 - YAK 7

Pg.147-148 from his memories: "The last Russian to be shot down must have been an ace.He wore several decorations, including the badge of "Hero of Soviet Union (HSU)".

11 December 1943
75th Aerial Victory - Lipfert - near Mayak - 11:37hs - YAK-7

Pg.68 from his memories: "The Russian carried out these maneuvers with such skill that I was simply unable to fire.....Had he succeeded, this skilled pilot would certainly have swept me from the sky or at least scored some hits...the Russian turned for his life, proving through his skill that the enemy had outstanding fliers and fighters too".

MAYBE in the futur, some of you with extensive knowledge on the Eastern Front Aerial Air War (WW2) can re-write the Memories of Hauptmann Lipfert with a full detail account about his aerial victories (from the other side). This is one of the books I do cherish the most, from the Luftwaffe point of view.

Adriano


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