Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Trying to find info as into Boston lend /lease supplies to Black See Fleet
primarily to 36 MTAP ,30 OMRAE (1943 )and 13 GvBDAP . From some
sources I understand that 30 OMRAE received them already in 1942 other
say early 1943.

The 36 MTAP CO was killed end of January 1944 when he performed a forced
landing while rumours have circulated that he as former DB-3F pilot along with most
of this Regiment's pilot force were not sufficiently trained on A-20's.

He was seen end of June 1943 on a colored Soviet footage participating
at German captured aircraft display in Moscow , I therefore imagine that he
combined it with training courses at Jukowsky .

When the deliveries to BSF have commenced ? did all fleet had to pass through
Jukovsky for modification purposes ? were they flown through Iran ,through
UK or through Murmansk ? did instructor courses took place in Krimea or at
Jukowsky ? also if US or UK training pilots were dispatched to Krimea ?

Alex K

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Alex,
First you must obtain the list of the assigned Bostons from Russian archives, like:

41-2705 - (36 DBAP ЧФ)
41-2873 - (36 DBAP ЧФ)
41-3258 - MIA 19.06.1943 (30 АП ЧФ)
43-21667 - Norway, 36. MTAP, Ml.Lt. Victor Dmitrievich Ladigin (KIA)
43-9156 - Norway, 36. MTAP, Lt. Sergei P. Batrakov (KIA)
6265? - MIA 25.04.1943 (27 ОРАЭ ЧФ), Wright-Cyclon: 41064; 41068
....etc-etc.,

...then you may purchase the Individual Aircraft Record Cards for each of these planes by serials with manufacturing dates, delivery dates and routes at aair@aviationarchaeology.com. (See sample.)

I assume, that most of these planes arrived via the South-Atlantic Ferry Route (California, Florida, Caribbean, Brazil, Ascension Is., Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Palestine, Iran, Soviet Union-Crimea) Good luck!

Gabor

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Hi Gabor



Thanks very much for the update , I will look up into these issue
and get the material as per your suggestions .

In interim I've got a few Q maybe you can asmwers them :
Do you know the S/N's and delivery dates of the following acfts :

Ковалев Петр Ильич crew KIA 30.9.43
Калинин Николай Николаевич crew MIA 27.7.44
Григоров Владимир Данилович crew MIA 04.5.44
Бобков Виктор Дмитриевич crew MIA " "
Бидзинашвили Шио Бидзинович crew MIA 28.9.43 A-20B3

Левашов Владимир Матвеевич crew KIA 28.9.43
Дюков Михаил Георгиевич 3 KIA 1 POW 28.9.43

As into your other remarks reg 36 MTAP , were the two A-20 lost in
Norway .....howcome and what mission .....possibly they
were transf.to Northern Fleet

I will pay back later with other info as into your research

Best Regards
Alex K

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Alex,
You do not have to promise me anything, because I do not come to this forum to make data business. I help if I can, and I don't, if I can't - that's all. After all this helps others too. The area and time frame you mentioned is out of my research, so you have to obtain your serials from other sources. However, I know about a few lost soviet Boston serials in September, 1943 as per most of your request, but their regiments were different:



Regiment, A/C, S/N, Cause, Engine serials

277. BBAP, A-20C, 41-19372 Crashlanded
277. BBAP, A-20C, 41-19387 Emergency landing
244. BAP, A-20C, 41-19432 Crashlanded
452. NBBAP, A-20C, 41-19700 Crashlanded
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-2686 Crashlanded 24950, 24965
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-2731 Crashlanded 25060, 25034
452. NBBAP, A-20B, 41-2747 Emergency landing 25098, 25095
277. BBAP, A-20B, 41-2799 Emergency landing
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-2854 Crashlanded
63. BAP, A-20B, 41-2861 Crashlanded 24979, 25322
63. BAP, A-20B, 41-2865 Emergency landing
277. BAP, A-20B, 41-2877 Enemy fighter 25355, 26357
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-2956 Crashlanded 25748, 25745 (known photo)
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-3033 Battle damages 27233, 25256
277. BAP, A-20B, 41-3065 Flak 27312, 27359
277. BAP, A-20B, 41-3088 Emergency landing 27361, 35594
452. NBBAP, A-20B, 41-3091 Crashlanded 25998, 25986
277. BAP, A-20B, 41-3097 Flak 27398, 27399
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-3098 Crashlanded 25974, 25973
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-3206 Crashlanded
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-3207 Crashlanded 50175, 50170
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-3222 Crashlanded 27621, 27625
244. BAP, A-20B, 41-3526 Crashlanded 26435, 26434


This is for now.
Gabor

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Thanks Gabor hoever the details are not related to BSF
but 3rd Ukrainian Front Regiments and other so I gather
you dont have the mentioned details


Thanks anyways


Best Regards
Alex K

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Alex, this might be for you:

A-20B (S/N: 41-2793, engines: 41-25032, 41-25230, tail No.: "4") of 244 BAP was lost at sea after dogfight with Bf 109s on April 24, 1943 with Alekseev's crew:

ст.л-т Алексеев Александр Алексеевич pilot
л-т Попов Павел Александрович navigator
с-т Доронин Борис Сергеевич radioman
ст.с-т Пьядухов Василий Григорьевич gunner

"Самолет №12793 с моторами №41-25232 и №41-25230 24.04.43 г. при выполнении боевого задания по уничтожению артиллерии и живой силы противника в 3-4 км юго-западнее Новороссийска был подбит истребителями противника. Самолет с боевого задания не вернулся."

Remains have been found on the seabed. See serial.

Gabor

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Thank you Gabor , great stuff however I am after Black Sea Fleet A-20 36 MTAP

30 OMRAE and 13 GvDBAP period 1943 and 1944. 244 BAP would be of interest to
me only from April 44 on ( 1st Iasi Chisinau Offensive )


Thanks again
Alex K

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

244 BAP, or 244 BAD?

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

I hope the following is helpful:




http://www.americancombatplanes.com/a20_5.html

Re: Boston deliveries to BSF 1944
 

Edwest, just partial and limited info , thanks anyways


Gabor sorry my confus. 244 BAD which must be disregarded



BR
Alex