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Re: List of "aces" in Bf110 units during 1939-40 with 10 or more victories

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Originally Posted by Kapper (Post 63936)

Evigny

Evgeny :) Eugen... Eugene :) Евгений.

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Originally Posted by Kapper (Post 63936)

If you include these adjustments the total is 19 in accordance to Stigs list.

Thx for this info. It confirmes that bortfunkers claims were included to "crew" score, but listed as "personal" victoryes of pilot. For example in VVS, in Il-2 units, there were usually "shared aces" because this type of claims scored as "shared" (no matter with whom - with another pilot or with own crew member).

So, Larry, the final list would be as follows:

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1. 12.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hawk-75A  - 07.15
2. 13.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Morane  - 18.50
3. 15.05.40 Uffz. Erich Weissflog Morane  Montcornet: 800 m. 14.25
4. 15.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Morane  - 14.25
5. 29.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 14.05
6. 29.05.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  Dünkirchen: 2.500 m. 14.10
7. 07.06.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Morane  - 06.20
8. 15.08.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 18.35
9. 15.08.40 Uffz. Erich Weissflog Hurricane  - 18.45 (Spitfire in Stig Jarlevik's list)
10. 15.08.40 Ltn. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 18.50
11. 30.08.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 13.00
12. 31.08.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 09.54
13. 01.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 14.40
14. 01.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 14.45 (Spitfire in Stig Jarlevik's list)
15. 01.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  - 14.55
16. 04.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  - 14.07
17. 04.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Hurricane  Tonbridge: 4.000 m. 14.20
18. 07.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  London: 5.000 m. 19.20
19. 11.09.40 Oblt. Hans-Joachim Jabs Spitfire  S. London: 5.500 m. 17.20

Re: List of "aces" in Bf110 units during 1939-40 with 10 or more victories

Hi

The 1.Victory of Scherer was at Diesberg, not Duisburg. He fly a Me Bf 109 D. See the remains of the Blenheim.

Greetings Christian

Re: List of "aces" in Bf110 units during 1939-40 with 10 or more victories

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Originally Posted by markjsheppard (Post 63969)

Hi all

Very interesting thread which I thought I would hijack.

In 1992 a Bf110 E-2 (CD+MV) coded M8+ZE of 6.(Z)/JG5 was recovered it was found to carry five victory markings on the tail, one RAF and four Russian. Unfortunately all were unreadable (I never got to see them first hand) but the last victory was dated 15.8.41.These victories belong to when the Bf110 belonged to Stab/ZG76 who were in Norway at the beginning of the Russian campaign in the Arctic Circle?

Bit vague I know. We know that Gerhard Schaske flew M8+YE and had 18 victories? but I do not know who the other Stab pilots were or who might have flew M8+ZE. A very long shot but thought I would ask.Any ideas?

regards

Mark

11-03-1942
Bf110 E-2, 6.(Z)/JG 5, Kirkenes, WNr. 4502, M8+ZE, 100%
Pilot - Uffz. Emil Gross (WiA)
Shot down by MiG-3 of 147 IAP, crashed SW of lake Ordozero, S of Louhi.

Stab./ZG 76 used following codes:

M8+XA, Oberstleutnant Walter Grabmann (Geschwader Kommodore)
M8+YA, Hptm. Gerhard Schaschke (duty is unknown for me - May be Geschaderadjutant?)
M8+ZA, pilot unknown (Uffz. Gross could took this aircraft from usual pilot when was shot down in it)

I have a photo of Bf110E-2, flown by Hptm. Gerhard Schaschke.

Re: List of "aces" in Bf110 units during 1939-40 with 10 or more victories

Hi
Hope this clears up Jabs missing ZG claims. Erich Weissflog was his gunner, who made the second MS406 claim on 15th May 1940, and the second Hurricane claim on 15th August 1940! Weissflog rose to the rank of Oberleutnant, and attended the Ritterkreuz.

Regards

Johannes

Re: List of "aces" in Bf110 units during 1939-40 with 10 or more victories

Evgeny

The three/fou Bf110s were M8+XE, M8+YE and M8+ZE

Grabmann flew X
Schaschke flew M8+YE
There is a photo showing M8+YE
Can't find it though. Beleive he was Adjutant.

http://zg48voss.narod.ru/zg_exp_schaschke.htm

Other was M8+ZE. Unknown pilot.

regards

Mark