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Nokose 24th December 2017 00:24

German losses on 22 July 1941
 
At around 17:45 the Ju 88s of KG 76 made a raid in the Krasnoye Selo area to the south of Leningrad under escort of JG 54 and I./ZG 26. Can anyone advise the losses suffered in Ju 88s and Bf 110s? I’m trying to determine the victory claims now made by the Soviet 7 IAK PVO now, as I have the ones for the VVS KBF. The KBF alone claimed two Bf 110 and several Ju 88. The Soviets put up a massive 75 fighters for this raid.

Monaco 24th December 2017 00:41

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Some Luftwaffe losses on 22.07.41:
3./JG.54 lost 1 KIA and 1 WIA from ground personel when it´s base, Sarudjinje A/D was bombed.
Reinhard Heydrich, notorious SD leader (flying a couple of missions with II./JG.77), s/d and force-landed in Moldavia. Heydrich thereafter made a quick return to the safety of his HQ in Germany.

III./KG.26 loses one crew (Lt. Horst Ludwigs) KIA, probably on a mission to Moscow.

Fw.189:
22.07.41; 2.(H)/12; N; F; Mogilev; ?; Fw189a-1; 0143 (H1+.BN); 100; + Lt. Nemek E, F; Ofw. Hilz M, Bo.; Gefr. Piess H, Bs.
Ju.87 losses:
22.07.41; II./StG77; 4; H; Balta; Emergency landing on taxiing; Ju87B-1; 5463; 30; -
22.07.41; III./StG77; 4; F; Balta; Fighter attack; Ju87B-1; 5159; 30; = Gefr. Rumpler G., Bf.
Bf.110 losses:
22.07.41; 5./SKG210; 2; F; [ok]. Yelnya; ?; Bf110E-2; 4489 (S9+EN); 100; v. Uffz. Moldaschel F., F.;
Ogef. Reichel G., Bf.;
22.07.41; 1./SKG210; 2; F; Dorogobuzh; Combat of [povr].; Bf110C; 4438 (S9+DH); 100; v. Lt. Hertel J., F.; Gef. Schmitz H., Bf.

Luftwaffe losses:


22.07.41; 1. (F)/33; H; (F); Minsk; Emergency landing; Ju88D-1; 1150; 85; -

Nokose 24th December 2017 21:27

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Monaco, Thanks as there was a claim in I./JG 54 for a Soviet SB-2 which might explain there target. Still looking for any losses from KG 76 or damage from the raid on the 22 July 1941 and the Bf 110s with them. There were no claims made for Ju 87 so they are not on my to find list for this day.

Karsten 30th December 2017 13:45

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Hallo Monaco,

I have the following names for These losses
Moldaschl Franz Uffz. 16.09.1918
Nemec Ernst Ltn. 18.05.1916
Hilz Matthias Ofw. 23.10.1913
Ries Hellmut Gefr. 22.12.1921

Rüdiger

Graves-list

Nokose 7th January 2018 21:21

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Thank you for your reply Karsten but I am still looking for any information on losses of I/KG 76 for this day. By the way some one needs to upload those names into the Kracker Luftwaffe Archive.

Rottler 7th January 2018 21:49

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Hello Nokose,

Gen.Qu. loss report from 25 July 1941:
22.7. 1./KG 76 Feindflug Notlandung bei Grasnogwardaysk
Ju 88 A-5 5195 100%
F Lt Josef Reinhold verletzt
Bf Gefr Ernst Ruhland verletzt
Bo Gefr Heribert Grössl verletzt
Bs Gefr Hans Dorning +

Regards
Leo

Nokose 8th January 2018 00:11

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Leo, I appreciate this information. Does I/ZG 26 report any losses this day to dogfights?

Rottler 8th January 2018 02:08

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Hello Nokose,

no.
In the Gen.Qu. loss reports are listed:

20.7. 1./ZG 26 Bf 110 E-2 2379
20.7. 1./ZG 26 Bf 110 E-1 4094
21.7. 3./ZG 26 Bf 110 E-2 3892
25.7. 3./ZG 26 Bf 110 E-1 3976
26.7. 3./ZG 26 Bf 110 E-2 2432
27.7. 2./ZG 26 Bf 110 E-1 4042
28.7. 1./ZG 26 Bf 110 E-1 3897.

Regards
Leo

oquaig 11th January 2018 05:00

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
Hi Nokose,

This may help a little...according to the Lageberichte from Flivo AOK 16 only "two aircraft" were lost on 22 July 1941. One was from KG 76 as mentioned below the other unidentified. You can find the Lageberichte for Luftflotte 1 on Jeff leach's site for "Free NARA files" T312 R546 (page 1448 for 22 July).
"Grasnogwardaysk" is an interesting phonetic spelling for Krasnogvardeysk (modern Gatchina)

Regards
oquaig

Laurent Rizzotti 11th January 2018 11:59

Re: German losses on 22 July 1941
 
For those interested, these files are available from https://forum.axishistory.com//viewt...?f=48&t=223939

I knew this source, but was disappointed to find no Luftwaffe file when I checked it last year. Very good idea to checks Lufwtaffe reports in the AOK files, thanks for the tip.


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