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Andre Stewart 5th February 2009 10:51

Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
Hi there,

Hope someone can help me -- I'm looking for info on the losses suffered by III./JG76 in Oct 1944. From claims info, the Gruppe was in action on several days, namely the the 3rd, 8th, 11th, 15th, 17th 18th and 20th.

Hope it's not too much to ask. Or if someone knows a website that has this info, that also would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.

rgds
andre

RT 10th February 2009 16:53

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
1 10 44 11 JG76 Lahr A S BF109G-6 441999 Ge1 x Köstner erich uf f Int,
3 10 44 11 JG76 F St Maurice/Moselle A LFK BF109G-6 165252 Ge3 x Kernchen martin uf f Int,
3 10 44 10 JG76 F Vogesen A LFK BF109G-6 412581 Sw2 x Guder heinz uf f beerdigt i, Andilly Int,
3 10 44 10 JG76 Mühlhausen X BF109G-6 413502 Ge3 x Hoff v, horst ofhr f Int,
3 10 44 9 JG76 F Schallstedt LFK BF109G-6 413581 We6 x Held gustav fw f Int,
6 10 44 10 JG76 Menzingen A MSCH BF109G-6 166083 Bl14 x Fenk hans fw f Int,
7 10 44 9 JG76 Donaueschingen A MSCH n, S BF109G-6 780311 We4 x Dietrich günther uf f Int,
7 10 44 III JG76 Eigene Raum Bekampfung Jabo BF109G 2 Einsätze 14+16 Fz 0 Absch, 1 Abst, HW5 597
8 10 44 III JG76 Mühlhausen nördl, A LFK 15x P47 BF109G 100 unv, JG76 was probably in combat with P47 of the 313 FS of the 50th FG which claimed one Me-109 near Freiburg @ 16:55. MACR does not show any loss. f FSA HW5 597
8 10 44 III JG76 Mühlhausen Nördl, LFK Jabo P47 18 Bf109G 4 Abschüsse HW5 597
15 10 44 III JG76 Saarburg b, N LFK Ost Lunéville P47 BF109G x f HW5 602
15 10 44 III JG76 X N LFK Ost Lunéville P47 BF109G x f HW5 602
15 10 44 III JG76 X LFK BF109G f meldete als vermisst HW5 602
15 10 44 III JG76 Parroy Wald BF109G 24 Bf109G III,JG76 2 P47 abgesch, HW5 602

Remi

Tomislav Haramincic 11th February 2009 09:55

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
Hi Remi,

Just a small addition to the loss of von Hoff,

Bf 109G-6 WNr.413502 03.10.44 10./JG76 Ofhr. Horst von Hoff (†), Luftkampf mit P-47 - Absturz, Mühlhausen - 100% sw.7+

best regards,
Tomislav

Andre Stewart 11th February 2009 10:50

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
Hi Remi and Tomislav,

Thanks for your info. Really appreciate it.


Best regards,
Andre

DR40eghs 14th February 2009 15:52

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
Hi Andre, Tomislav and Remi,

just came accross this thread and have a little addition/correction to Remi's list:

6.10.44 10./JG 76 Bf 109 G-6 WNr 166083 "blue 14 +"
(F) Fw. Fenk, Hans KIA
Meidelstetten, Krs. Münsingen; Absturz infolge Motorschaden.

The location of the crash is Meidelstetten, formerly belonging to Kreis (district) Münsingen. The village is located roughly S to SW of Reutlingen, approx. 40 km S of Stuttgart/D.
The village of Menzingen - as mentioned in Remi's list - is located 25 km NW of Karlsruhe (where i live), approx. 80 - 100 km distance to Fenk's crashplace.

Regards,
Uwe

Jim P. 16th February 2009 04:54

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
Here's what I have for JG 76 109 losses (Note that Trendle's book has no page numbers!):


22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 460513, Neumann, Ltn. Gerd, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 9 +, , , 22-Aug-44, MIA due to Flak or enemy fighters., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.295, 331, , NW of Paris, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 461443, Dunker, Uffz. Erhard, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 15 +, , , 22-Aug-44, POW due to Flak or enemy fighters., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.295, 331, , NW of Paris, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 781178, Gutmann, Fw. Joachim, , JG 76, 12., blaue, 7 +, , , 22-Aug-44, MIA due to Flak or enemy fighters., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.295, 331, , Vernon-Evreux, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 160012, Renner, Uffz. Kurt, , JG 76, 9., gelbe, 1 +, KO+PH, , 22-Aug-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with P-51s. FSA., May be WNr. 460012., FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.331, , 1km südlich Vraux-Aulnay, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 413640, Richter, FhjUffz. Klaus, , JG 76, 9., weiße, 2 +, , , 22-Aug-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-51s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.331, , östlich Athis, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 781168, Kleine-Brockhoff, Fhr. Rolf, , JG 76, 9., weiße, 6 +, , , 22-Aug-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-51s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.331, , östlich Athis, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 413666, Pfeiffer, Fw. Emil, , JG 76, 9., weiße, 10 +, , , 22-Aug-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-51s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.331, , 4km NNE of Vraux-Aulnay, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 441144, Stenneken, Uffz. Heinrich, , JG 76, 9., gelbe, 7 +, , , 22-Aug-44, MIA due to Luftkampf with P-51s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.331, , Raum Chalons-sur-Marne, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 460520, ./., , JG 76, III., schwarze, 11 + |, , , 22-Aug-44, Tiefangriff. Captured., , FR, LW colors, III, p.152 photo; LW Verband #32, p.10 photo, , Fl.Pl. Athis, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 460425, ./., , JG 76, III., gelbe, 11 + |, , , 22-Aug-44, Tiefangriff. Captured., , FR, LW Verband #32, p.10 photo, , Fl.Pl. Athis, 100%, F, ,
22-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 460409, Gräb, Ofhr. Alfred, , JG 76, Stab III., schwarze, 22 +, , , 22-Aug-44, WIA due to Flak or enemy fighters., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.295, 331, , UD 8 (Mantes), b, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 780658, Schmädicke, Uffz. Johannes, , JG 76, 10., schwarze, 2 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , 5km NW of Chalons-sur-Marne, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 441801, Jena, Ogefr. Eugen, , JG 76, 10., schwarze, 8 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , Rousseloy, 7km NW of Creil, b, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 780609, Köbsch, Ltn. Horst, , JG 76, 10., schwarze, 7 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s. Bauchlandung., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332; Luftfahrt International article by Prien, , Rousseloy 7km NW of Creil, b, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 413649, Bauer, Uffz. Albert, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 1 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , Raum Reims, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 413738, Kleiber, Uffz. Günther, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 13 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, MIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , nordöstlich Paris, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 163485, Fritz, FhjUffz. Heinz, , JG 76, 11., schwarze, 1 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, MIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , nordöstlich Paris, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 413676, Uhlig, Ofw. Lothar, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 8 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , nordöstlich Paris, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 413622, Baldt, Gefr. Wolfgang, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 16 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, MIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , nordöstlich Paris, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 413679, Prang, Hptm. Richard, , JG 76, 12., blaue, 17 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, Stkp. KIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , Merard par Bury nordöstlich Paris, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 781232, Schirmer, Ofhr. Heinz, , JG 76, 12., blaue, 4 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , Raum Rouen, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 781189, Schreuer, Fw. Klaus, , JG 76, 9., weiße, 15 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, MIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s., , FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332, , Raum Creil, 100%, F, ,
25-Aug-44, Bf 109G-14, 460593, ALBRECHT, Hptm. Egon, 25, JG 76, Stab III., schwarze, 21 + |, , , 25-Aug-44, Gr.Kdr. KIA due to Luftkampf with P-38s. FSA too low., RK, FR, Frappé, La LW face au débarquement allié, p.299, 332; Obermaier p.81, , östlich St. Claude/Creil, 100%, F, ,
05-Sep-44, Bf 109G-6, 163879, Finster, Uffz. Götz, , JG 76, 10., schwarze, 9 +, , , 05-Sep-44, KIA due to Luftkampf., , RLV, WASt, , Kettelbach bei Limburg/Lahn, 100%, F, ,
05-Sep-44, Bf 109G-14, 413738, Schilling, Ofw. Willi, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 14 +, , , 05-Sep-44, KIA due to Luftkampf., , RLV, WASt, , bei Diez an der Lahn, 100%, F, ,
24-Sep-44, Bf 109G-6, 411470, Schützenmeister, Uffz. Otto, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 7 +, RW+TS, , 24-Sep-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes Land, , bei Wittemweier, 100%, F, ,
03-Oct-44, Bf 109G-6, 412581, Guder, Uffz. Heinz, , JG 76, 10., schwarze, 2 +, , , 03-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with French Spitfires (Capt. Mangin)., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Raum Vogesen-Schwarzwald, 100%, F, ,
03-Oct-44, Bf 109G-6, 413502, Hoff, Ofhr. Horst vom, , JG 76, 10., schwarze, 7 +, , , 03-Oct-44, MIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s from 406 FS/371 FG., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Raum Fl.Pl. Freiburg, 100%, F, , 16.45~
03-Oct-44, Bf 109G-6, 165252, Kernchen, Uffz. Martin, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 3 +, , , 03-Oct-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s from 406 FS/371 FG. FSA., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , bei Serve-Maurice, 100%, F, ,
03-Oct-44, Bf 109G-6, 413581, Held, Fw. Gustav, , JG 76, 9., weiße, 6 +, , , 03-Oct-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with French Spitfires (Capt. Mangin). Notlandung., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Batzenberg bei Schallstadt, 100%, F, ,
07-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 780311, Dietrich, Uffz. Günther, , JG 76, 9., weiße, 4 +, , , 07-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with Spitfires from French Gr. 'Provence' (Capt. Dorance)., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Raum westlich Rhein, 100%, F, , 12.30~
11-Oct-44, Bf 109G-6, 163563, Wolf, Uffz. Hermann, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 7 +, RQ+RO?, , 11-Oct-44, Injured in Notlandung due to engine fire., Dup WNr., RLV, Trendle, Brennendes Land, , bei Baldingen, 100%, F, ,
15-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 462715, Imiela, Uffz. Herbert, , JG 76, 10., schwarze, 7 +, , , 15-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with American fighters. Notlandung., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Fl.Pl. Hagenau, 100%, F, ,
15-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 460640, Költzsch, Ltn. Klaus-Joachim, , JG 76, 12., blaue, 7 +, , , 15-Oct-44, KIA due to Flak., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Raum Luneville, 100%, F, ,
15-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 413654, Wüser, Fw. Bruno, , JG 76, 12., blaue, 1 +, , , 15-Oct-44, WIA due to Flak and engine fire. Notlandung., Reported as WNr. 415654., RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , deutschen Gebiet, 100%, F, ,
17-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 462985, Börger, Ofw. Heinz, , JG 76, 11., gelbe, 6 +, , , 17-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , 1km nördlich Niedermichelbach, 100%, F, ,
17-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 462690, Hadde, Uffz. Helmut, , JG 76, 12., blaue, 10 +, , , 17-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with enemy fighters. FSA, chute didn't open., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , 50m südlich von Friedhof Mappach, 100%, F, ,
17-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 462650, Läbe, Fw. Ernst, , JG 76, 12., blaue, 9 +, , , 17-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , 5km nordwestlich Basel/am Nordrand von Neudorf, 100%, F, ,
17-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 462967, Koch, Uffz. Herbert, , JG 76, 3., weiße, 3 +, , , 17-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s by Effringen-Kirchen near Wintersweiler. FSA., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Raum Mappach in den Berg, 100%, F, ,

Andre Stewart 18th February 2009 09:51

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
To Uwe and Jim P.,

Just sighted your posts -- many thanks for the additional info.
Your efforts are greatly appreciated, especially the detailed list from Jim.

Regards,
Andre

DR40eghs 18th February 2009 18:56

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
Hi Andre, Tomislav, Remi and Jim,

since Jim has already posted most of the list, it's left to me to fill in some gaps. These here were already posted in the German language LBB-Forum in a thread, started on 12.12.2006, most of the information provided by the user "Fliegerschicksal" (Dirk Sohl), with some additions/modifications by other people + myself:

12.09.44 3./JG 76 Bf 109 G-6 WNr 413832 "ye 11 +" 100% F
(F) Fw. Gottschalk, Josef KIA
Windhausen, 6 km NNW Osterode/Harz; Luftkampf
* 9.3.1920 in Dortmund-Hörde

13.09.44 4./JG 76 Bf 109 G-6/U2/AS WNr 413815 "blue 3 +" 100% F
(F) Gefr. Burkhardt, Arndt Arne Richard KIA
Wereberg b. Hersfeld; Luftkampf
* 12.7.1923, Radeberg; EM: 262283/265

13.09.44 1./JG 76 Bf 109 G-6/U4 WNr 441050 "wh 5 +" 100% F
(F) Oblt. Michi, Erich KIA
Ersrode b. Rotenburg/Fulda; (St.Fhr.) Luftkampf
* 21.3.1915, Leipzig-Gohlis; EM: 53581/23

13.09.44 1./JG 76 Bf 109 G-6/U4 WNr 441986 "wh 3 +" 100% F
(F) Uffz. Bosbach, Rolf Willi KIA
Oberthalhausen, 12 km WSW Bebra; Luftkampf
* 22.9.1922, Hamburg; EM: 2./FAR 51/2074

13.09.44 3./JG 76 Bf 109 G-14 WNr 780876 "ye 6 +" 100% F
(F) Oblt. Denda, Kurt KIA
Ersrode b. Rotenburg/Fulda, 14 km W Bebra; Luftkampf
* 28.6.1916, Groß-Katzenburg; EM: 68417/563

13.09.44 4./JG 76 Bf 109 G-14 WNr 781248 "blue 15 +" 100% F
(F) Uffz. Weber, Robert KIA
Beenhausen, 11 km W Bebra; Luftkampf
* 18.8.1921, Hamburg; EM: 68420/192

and some more:

20.10.44 11./JG 76 Bf 109 G-14 WNr 461518 "ye 3 +" 100% F
(F) Uffz. Swakowski, Johannes KIA
Langenordnach, b. Freiburg; Luftkampf mit P-47* 18.8.1921, Hamburg; EM: 68420/192

20.10.44 10./JG 76 Bf 109 G-14 WNr 461963 "black 3 +" 100% F
(F) Uffz. Sommer, Walter WIA
Tannheim; Luftkampf mit P-47

20.10.44 10./JG 76 Bf 109 G-14 WNr 462979 "black 10 +" 100% F
(F) Uffz. Sommer, Walter WIA
Siedelbach, b. Titisee; Luftkampf mit P-47
* 22.02.1920

on 25.10.1944 the III./JG 76 was redesignated IV./JG 53 - but that's another chapter.

Regards,
Uwe

Eagle0025 19th February 2009 05:17

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
Andre,

Great post on an obscure group that only existed from May until October 1944. I have done research on III./JG76 since my father's FG (the 474th FG) was involved in a large dogfight with them on 25 August 1944. III./JG76 suffered more than the 12 losses listed according to official sources. ULTRA intercepts showed they had 18 aircraft missing (likely shot down), 3 aircraft destroyed, 5 badly shot up, and 2 crash landed back at their home base of Athis, France. The intercept also listed 18 pilots MIA with 3 WIA. These figures match up pretty close with the 474th FG claims for that mission. I know that many of the Bf-109G-14s went down in an area bordered by the cities of Clermont, Creil, and Beauvais, France.

I am still attempting to identify all of the III.JG76 pilots and aircraft on that 25 August 1944 mission. Jim P.'s post particularly caught my eye when I saw the following entry:
17-Oct-44, Bf 109G-14, 462967, Koch, Uffz. Herbert, , JG 76, 3., weiße, 3 +, , , 17-Oct-44, KIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s by Effringen-Kirchen near Wintersweiler. FSA., , RLV, Trendle, Brennendes land, , Raum Mappach in den Berg, 100%

My father, Don Koch, was shot down on the 25 August mission and held as a POW in a local French farmhouse. While waiting to be interrogated, my father remembered a tall, lanky German enlisted fighter pilot walk into the farmhouse after being shot down in the very same fight. He saw my father's name on his Mae West and asked him "Ist das deine Name?" or "Is that your name?" My father understood what he said and nodded. The German replied "Ah, das is meine Name auch!" or "That is my name too!".

Fw190s from I./JG26 and II./JG26 also participated in this same fight against the 474th FG, but my sources indicate there was no JG26 pilot by the name of Koch that flew on that mission. This led me to deduce that this German pilot had to be a Bf109 pilot with III./JG76. I would be very interested to find out more about this particular pilot. This might be the "Koch" I am seeking.

Cheers, Gary Koch (474th FG Historian)

Jaap Woortman 19th February 2009 10:00

Re: Losses - III./JG76 in October 1944
 
I have read this thread with great interest. Are there in the period between August 20 and September 30, 1944 also non-operational losses, planes and pilot's, known of III./JG 76?

Jaap


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