6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

Hi everyone I am researching the crash of KG2 Dornier 217 at Cheveley in Cambs for my forthcoming publication, a/c had been to Birmingham / Wolverhampton when it was hit by flak on its return flight. Crew all baled out and survived. A/C hit ground, slid along passing through Cheveleley Park boundary wall, and some oak trees (some of which still bear scars) and came to rest across Duchess Drive... I would be very interested to see if anyone knows the location of any existing crash scene photographs, or of U5+FP while it was based at Eindhoven or even crew photographs. I have tried all resouce pools I know of to no avail. Further details below, thanks all....Julian
PS I can contacted on j.evenhart@ntlworld.com..... probably the quickest as I only check forums 1-2 times a week
Aircraft Dornier Do 217 E-4
Date July 30-31st 1942 at night.
Time 3.08a.m
Unit:- 6/KG2.
Coded U5+ FP
Werk Nummer 5482
Location Crashed at Duchess Drive, Cheveley in Cambs
Crew
Hauptmann A Kindler (Staffel Kapitan)
Stabsfeldwebel A Schirmer
Oberfeldwebel W Kostka
Oberfeldwebel A Horch

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

I have a photo of Kindler. I contacted him a few years ago but he was not keen to correspond. I have many photos of Do 217s but not of that machine

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

Hi Chris,
I have one showing Kindler with three colleagues in Canada is this the one you have?. If not please may I see the one you have? if you could send as an attachment to my personal Email j.evenhart@ntlworld.com that would be great.
Kindler must be quite old now I guess. If you have no objection, I would dearly like to at least make some contact attempt with Herr Kindler as I have information he may find interesting.......if you agree please send his contact details to my personal Email address, I will make it clear to him / his family where I sourced his details from....I understand Glyn Warren was also in contact with Kindler via Gangl some years ago................... Im working on War Torn Skies Cambs and have had a fantastic response so far, at times I have been so close to photographs of this crash only to lose them right at the end of the line of research.......bet they exist somewhere though......there were loads of Army up in the Park at Cheveley........Cheers again Chris

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

I believe that Kindler is long gone and as he was not keen, will not bother his family on your behalf. I would be most interested to know where you got the same photo as me as I got this from the family of another KG 2 pilot and as far as I was aware, I was the only person to ever contact them. However, I did supply copies to others so wonder how they could have passed this on to you?

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

What goes round comes round, Mr Goss, and I have a l-o-n-g memory for such things.

Perhaps you are considering claiming copyright on this picture too ?

BC

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

Hi Chris..............I have had the Kindler photo for quite some time now. Funny just before I keyed back into this forum two other sources (an ex KG76 pilot`s family,and another KG2 pilots family) gave me the Kindler family contact details .....now thats what I call a small world.......although as you say he was not keen on correspondence it doesnt logically follow that his family arent, they may be very proud of his very experienced wartime exploits I probably wont contact them.......although at least I may decide for myself now. Im going to produce the fullest account ever completed on this incident and once finished will have no hesitation in sharing it with all, and it may be used anywhere ..........so long as Im quoted as the source.............. I have ensured that I have true copywrite here............just to be safe. As always thanks for your assistance and help on Cambridge aviation incidents....Jules

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

Bob: I should remind you that this and other photos came from the Wolff family into my collection (with the associated costs of copying et al) in 1983 and if I am not much mistaken was copied for a third party at least 20 years ago. Now, if the Wolff family have made it available to others, so be it but if not, I would be interested to know how Julian has got a copy of a copy in my collection. By the way, I do not claim copyright but do charge reproduction fees if someone wants to make a profit from articles (unless they can reciprocate).

I too have a l-o-n-g memory and do not want to get into a proverbial in the wind over this but , by example, when copies of original photos in my collection AND letters (with my name cut off the top!) which I have copied and sent to third parties appear on eBay, I like to know!!
Chris

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

Fair comments from all concerned I think. However Gentlemen my aim as always was not stir up a hornets nest on any issue here.....if I may be so bold as to suggest we re-stabilize and focus on the original nature of my request....anyone who helps me is always mentioned in my books, researchers, relatives, landowners and fellow aviation archaeologists and anyone is welcome to my research notes, as I know just how marvellous it is to receive info you never dreamed still existed from colleagues........so thanks to all concerned....Julian

Re: 6/KG2 Dornier crash 31st July 1942 atr Cheveley in Cambridgeshire
 

Julian: Yes, you are correct I fully acknowledge your sentiment. Being a published author with a substantial photo and document collection, amassed at great personal cost both in monetary and time terms, I only seek to confirm that this photo came from the Wolff family and not from my collection. If you think I can help you further, I would be happy to do so.
Chris

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Chris:
Good answer, and I have no wish to rekindle the flames of my 1982 dispute with you, certainly not in a public manner, and not on a WW 2 Luftwaffe forum such as this.
In answer to your question, the picture showing four KG.2 officers including Wolff and Kindler in captivity in Canada was sent to me in October 1999 by Worcestershire researcher Glyn Warren. Glyn had considerable contact with Herbert Gangl, pilot of a Ju 88 shot down in 'his' area in July 1942, and Kindler (so Glyn informed me) was a good friend of Gangl's. I suspect that both men (Kindler and Wolff) had copies of the same picture.
While I am not a "published author", I too, have a large collection of pictures and documents, principally relating to the air war in my beloved East Anglia. Suffice to say that I learned a very hard lesson from your comments regarding my request for a picture of Hans Wolff to accompany my projected magazine article in 1982 - and the years have done nothing to diminish my unease.

BC