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Roger Gaemperle 31st October 2007 11:20

Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Hello,

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There is a very interesting photo of a Me 109 with an emblem on the cowling that I haven't seen before. Does anybody know more about it?

Also, there is a photos of Fw 190 WkNr. 171680 (the first "1" is not 100% sure). Does anybody know anything about its history?

Regards
Roger

Pawel Burchard 31st October 2007 11:39

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
K.G. 55 emblem?

regards,
Pawel

F19Gladiator 31st October 2007 11:47

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Hi Roger,
Looks like an emblem of KG 55 according to page 55 in "Luftwaffen Embleme 1939-1945" by Ketley and Rolfe.
Br
Goran

F19Gladiator 31st October 2007 12:02

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Hmmm..thought I've seen something like it before.......Page 87 in Kagero Monographs No.29 shows two pictures of what is captioned as a III/KG(J)55 Bf 109 G-6, W.Nr. 4645??, Yellow 25. It has this emblem on the port side of the cowling.
A colour profile at the back (no page No.) claims the aircraft was found at Straubing in April 1945. Here it is given away as a "G-14".

W.Nr.4645?? ought to be an Erla built G-14.

Roger Gaemperle 31st October 2007 12:02

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Hi Pawel and Göran,

That makes sense as KG55 (or KG(J)55)! I just checked http://www.ww2.dk/air/kampf/kg55.htm: KG55 was equiped with Me 109 G in the second half of 44 and in 45. I haven't seen a photo of a Me 109 before with this emblem on it. Very interesting.

Thanks
Roger

Pawel Burchard 31st October 2007 12:13

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
And BTW Dornier on the photograph is not Do 215 but plain early Do 17 Z

regards,
Pawel

Roger Gaemperle 31st October 2007 12:29

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Hi Pawel,

Thanks, I have corrected it!

Regards
Roger

robert 31st October 2007 19:17

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Hi Roger,

Your Gustaw was found in Plzen (Czech Republic) and could be ultimately used by I/Erg.KG(J) - source "Luftwaffe over Czech Territory 1945 Vol.1".

Regards

Robert

O.Menu 31st October 2007 21:21

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by F19Gladiator (Post 53051)
Hmmm..thought I've seen something like it before.......Page 87 in Kagero Monographs No.29 shows two pictures of what is captioned as a III/KG(J)55 Bf 109 G-6, W.Nr. 4645??, Yellow 25. It has this emblem on the port side of the cowling.
A colour profile at the back (no page No.) claims the aircraft was found at Straubing in April 1945. Here it is given away as a "G-14".

W.Nr.4645?? ought to be an Erla built G-14.


Yellow 25 is also visible in "Jagdwaffe V5 S2, War in the east" p183, but said to be found at Pilsen...

F19Gladiator 1st November 2007 02:03

Re: Me 109 with unknown emblem, Fw 190 Wk 171680 and other photos
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by robert (Post 53084)
Hi Roger,

Your Gustaw was found in Plzen (Czech Republic) and could be ultimately used by I/Erg.KG(J) - source "Luftwaffe over Czech Territory 1945 Vol.1".

Regards

Robert

Thanks Robert for the pointer! Yes, at page 224.
Also an interesting comment there that there are remains of a white Gruppe bar in front of the fuselage cross, indicating that JG 51 might also have been one of the previous users of this 109.
Goran


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