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edwest

30th December 2007 01:02

Luftwaffe rescue buoys

I hope this will be the start of a more in depth investigation.

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/t...scue-buoy.html

Ed

edwest

30th December 2007 01:05

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Some photos:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirk_br...7602180011317/

Ed

Peter Spoden

30th December 2007 17:44

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Hello Ed,
thanks for the nice pictures. It should be noted here that these buoys helped also a certain number of RAF Flyers to survive. At that time of the war there was still a kind of chivalry. Udet was a famous pilot in WWI and later on. he killled himself in the war. ( "Des Teufels General!")
Peter

Brian

30th December 2007 21:24

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Hi guys

Most interesting!

I've only vaguely known of these. Do we know of any specific ultimate rescues from the bouys - Luftwaffe and RAF?

Cheers
Brian

Franek Grabowski

30th December 2007 21:58

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Spoden (Post 56787)

At that time of the war there was still a kind of chivalry.

I do not think so.

FalkeEins

30th December 2007 22:22

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

"..The famous ‘Udet-Seenotbojen’ (rescue buoys) were unfortunately not as useful as they had promised to be...although marked very obviously with a red cross, they were immediately shot up by the Tommies..."

Uffz. Rothenfelder (9./JG 2) in 'Dans le ciel de France' (Erik Mombeeck)

Peter

30th December 2007 22:56

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski (Post 56801)

I do not think so.

A statment from the horses mouth, why do you not belive in it?

Peter

Franek Grabowski

30th December 2007 23:35

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter (Post 56807)

A statment from the horses mouth, why do you not belive in it?

I do not say I do not believe it, I do say it is not true. Anyone can verify it by reading documents and accounts. Most of the 'chivalry' stories were born years after the war ended, most probably because such stories 'sell' well.

Jan vd Heuvel

30th December 2007 23:38

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Although it is true that the Udet-buoys were shot at by the British, they still saved a lot of lives (Germans and British airmen).

The RAF used similar floating rescue stations and were they left alone by the Germans ? I have no data for that but I am sure the Germans also attacked the British floating stations.

To my knowledge the "chivalry" in airwarfare was blown away by the Germans when they used He-59s with Red Cross markings to shadow British convoys and subsequently sent information about these convoys to the German U-boat wolfpacks.

Regards,
Jan

Regards,
Jan

Franek Grabowski

31st December 2007 00:19

Re: Luftwaffe rescue buoys

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jan vd Heuvel (Post 56810)

Although it is true that the Udet-buoys were shot at by the British, they still saved a lot of lives (Germans and British airmen).

Still, their purpose was to save Germans and not British.

Quote:

To my knowledge the "chivalry" in airwarfare was blown away by the Germans when they used He-59s with Red Cross markings to shadow British convoys and subsequently sent information about these convoys to the German U-boat wolfpacks.

There chivalry stopped already during WWI, and there was no chivalry at all during WWII.

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