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Julius 14th February 2008 18:23
Russian fighter losses
 
Hello,
first sorry for my bad English.
I ´m searching informations (books etc.) about russian fighter losses during WW2, especially in 1945. It would be great if somebody could help me.
Thx Julius :)

Evgeny Velichko 15th February 2008 14:12
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
The only thing You can do to have full losses - to spent some month/years in Podolsk TcAMO & TcVMA archives...

Many historeans in Russia spent YEARS in it - but untill now there are NO full VVS losslists. There were hundreds, thounthands of various iap/shap/bap/sap/rap e.t.c., and each of it has its own (and even many with different periods of action) ZhBD ( Zhurnal Boyevoy Deyatel'nosti polka) - it is like KriegsTageBusch - War Log Book. To make losslist of even small iap (fighter regiment - like Gruppe on Luftwaffe) - You need to find thouse ZhBD's LOGBOOKS of that iap (it is rare that it has 1 of it - usually 2 or more, and some of them could be lost), and hard work to compile. And now just look on list of iap's:

http://www.allaces.ru/cgi-bin/s2.cgi...ruct/p_iap.dat

Got it? :)

Some very small info is found, but 100% it is not FULL.

Best wishes!

B.F.M. Droog 15th February 2008 14:17
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
Yevgeni,

Do you know if sites in English exist with (part of) this information? I can read cyrillic, but I can't understand Russian.

Regards,

Bart

Evgeny Velichko 15th February 2008 21:13
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
Unfortunatly, not.

Very small info, can be found only in personal communications with Russian Speaking historeans.

Most of them very busy working on new books.

I can only say: AFAIK, VVS lost ~1000 fighters in 1945.

marsyao 15th February 2008 22:52
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 59898)
Unfortunatly, not.

Very small info, can be found only in personal communications with Russian Speaking historeans.

Most of them very busy working on new books.

I can only say: AFAIK, VVS lost ~1000 fighters in 1945.
was that only combat losses or include non-combat losses too ?

kolya1 15th February 2008 23:41
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marsyao (Post 59904)
was that only combat losses or include non-combat losses too ?
That should be only combat losses. In his book about Soviet and Russian losses in 20th century conflicts, Krivosheev mentions about 1500 fighters lost in combat in 1945 (by all service branches : VVS, VMF, and PVO) , and 5800 overall (This last figure may seem high but retired planes are considered (non-combat) losses).

Hope this may help you,

Kolya.

mars 16th February 2008 03:35
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kolya1 (Post 59907)
That should be only combat losses. In his book about Soviet and Russian losses in 20th century conflicts, Krivosheev mentions about 1500 fighters lost in combat in 1945 (by all service branches : VVS, VMF, and PVO) , and 5800 overall (This last figure may seem high but retired planes are considered (non-combat) losses).

Hope this may help you,

Kolya.
Kolya, what is the definition of the "retired planes" ? were those aircraft retreated from front duty because of wear & tear?

Evgeny Velichko 16th February 2008 11:10
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
Yes, directly. Wear of wooden parts.

mars 16th February 2008 13:49
Re: Russian fighter losses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evgeny Velichko (Post 59930)
Yes, directly. Wear of wooden parts.
Thanks, I asked this question because most other airforce did not count "wear & tear" as a losss


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