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GrzegorzM 2nd April 2008 00:32

Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
Strange, but being Polish (and a patriot) of definitely Polish origin, found out, that on 3rd September 1939 a guy having surname exactly like mine was shot down near Warsaw, piloting Luftwaffe Messerschmitt Bf 110b!
I'd like to know sometning more about that pilot, event and the airplane (photo? marking scheme? code numbers?). Pilot was Unteroffizer Sigismund Mazurowski and has died that day.

Cheers!
Grzegorz Mazurowski, Warsaw, Poland
P.S. This is my first post on this forum, hello, everybody!
G.

Brian 2nd April 2008 00:48

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
Hi G

Welcome aboard the best and most informative site ever. I can't help you but am sure others will.

Cheers
Brian

Chris Goss 2nd April 2008 08:29

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
I am sure that some of your compatriots will help but you are right-he was a pilot with 3 Staffel (Zerstoerer)/Lehrgeschwader 1 and was shot down near Warszawa in combat with Polish fighters. His gunner Uffz Guenther Lother was also killed

John Vasco 2nd April 2008 12:41

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
von Eimannsberger's book 'Zerstöregruppe' give the Staffel as 15.(Z)/LG 1. He says the change came in August 1939 when LG 1 added standard bomber Gruppen, and I. Gruppe was redesignated V. Gruppe (1, 2, & 3 Staffeln becoming 13. 14. & 15 staffeln).

GrzegorzM 3rd April 2008 02:43

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
Very interesting, thanks!
Had de redesignation immediate effect (eg. in plane markings, code numbers?). I've heard that I.JG21, some time before the war turned into part of JG54, was still known with the old designation even in official documents.

And anybody can check the code number of Mazurowski's airplane, and exact version (some say that it was 110B, and some that it could have been 110C). Are the exact airplane versions for Sept. 1939 in that unit known?

Thanks in advance!
G.

P.S. my German friend wrote to me:
"this Bf110B was from 3.Staffel , I.(Z)/ LG 1. This means it was from the Zerstörerstaffel des Lehrgeschwaders 1.

Verbandskennung (Unit Code) of LG 1 was L1

The Staffelbuchstabe of the 3.Staffel was D
(A = Stab = green
B = 1. Staffel = white
C = 2. Staffel = red
D = 3. Staffel = yellow
E = 4. Staffel = blue).

So it very likely that this Bf 110B was painted in standard 70/71/65 colors and marked with L1+?D. The unknown letter aft of the cross (the aircraft's letter) should be yellow or black with a yellow line."

Evgeny Velichko 3rd April 2008 08:55

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
Not exactly.

1 (and 13) Staffel - H;
2 (and 14) Staffel - K;
3 (and 15) Staffel - L.

crolick 3rd April 2008 15:31

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
Hello Greg,

according to Marius Emmerling 'Luftwaffe nad Polską 1939' tom I - Bf.110B from 3. Staffel I.(Z)/LG 1 was shot down over Zielonka (w gminie Kobyłka) by CO of 111 EM por. Wojciech Januszewicz.


Hope it helps!

Franek Grabowski 3rd April 2008 16:01

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
This combat was described in great detail in many Polish book, including the major work on Polish fighters in 1939 by Jerzy B. Cynk, therefore there is no need to refer to Emmerling.
From the VDK site.

Nachname: Mazurowski Vorname: Sigismund Dienstgrad: Unteroffizier Geburtsdatum: 08.04.1913 Geburtsort: Montigny Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 03.09.1939 Todes-/Vermisstenort: b.Nachna-Warschau

Marius 3rd April 2008 16:49

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
Quote:

This combat was described in great detail in many Polish book, including the major work on Polish fighters in 1939 by Jerzy B. Cynk, therefore there is no need to refer to Emmerling.
Great Polish propaganda, Franek!

Please give me the page number in Cynk`s book, where are listed Uffz.Mazurowsky and Uffz. Lother. Furthermore their Staffel and hours of the mission? Some titles with great detail would be appreciated also.

Many thanks in advance.
Marius

Franek Grabowski 3rd April 2008 17:03

Re: Bf-110B down 3rd Sept 1939 near Warsaw
 
On p. 209 it is clearly stated that the victim of Januszewicz was Mazurowski. Your problems are not mine problems.


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