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edwest 12th May 2005 02:44

Photos + 5-11-05
 
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edwest 12th May 2005 03:00

Re: Photos + 5-11-05
 
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John Beaman 12th May 2005 03:13

Re: Photos + 5-11-05
 
The 3rd miscel. is an F, weisse 5 + ~. It might be from JG 52.

robert 12th May 2005 07:49

Re: Photos + 5-11-05
 
Hi,

the third photo of Bf109`s group shows an a/c from JG53 (the part of crest is visible next to air intake).
This white 5 ~is from 7/JG54.

Regards

Robert

John Beaman 12th May 2005 13:17

Re: Photos + 5-11-05
 
Hi Robert:

I am curious how you determined that weisse 5 + ~ is from 7./JG 54? The caption on the back of the photo, which looks original, indicates the photo was taken 30-May-42 in Russia. My information indicates that the only 7./JG 54 loss that day was a 40% damaged in an emergency landing due to engine trouble. This would seem incompatible with the obvious enemy fire tail damage in the photo.

robert 12th May 2005 14:37

Re: Photos + 5-11-05
 
Hi John,

another photos of this a/c are in Barbas "Aircraft of the Luftwaffe Fighter Aces Part 2". This mount was flown by Unf.Gerhard Raimann.
But also basing on this photo we see:
- a hangar building typical for Siwerskaja airfield (III/JG52 was in this time in South of Russia)
- the shape of number 5 and wave line is typical for III/JG54 in this period (large and slim)
- beneth the cockpit you can see part of Gruen Herz badge (withe outlined)
So there are any reasons to say that this is an a/c from III/JG52

Regards

Robert

John Beaman 12th May 2005 14:44

Re: Photos + 5-11-05
 
Well, my only reason was that the damaged tail sorta matches a 40% damage of a III./JG 52 plane that was attributed to "enemy fighters" even though the damage certainly looks more like flak. Your arguments may be better than mine, especially given the hanger.


John

hihotte 13th May 2005 17:23

Re: Photos + 5-11-05
 
Hi John,

I would like to support roberts argument. See the attached photos.
Could you tell us your source of JG54 losses?
I am working on a documentation of JG54 history and try to get every possible
additional info.

Greetings from the sunny Costa Blanca, Spain


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