Identification crash
 

Hello,

According to a report by the French gendarmerie.
On July 5, 1944, a German bomber on fire from the direction of the Gacilly (Morbihan) crashed on the town of Saint Séglin. (40 km south-west of Rennes.) Crew evacuated the aircraft parachute.
Aircraft: bomber with four engines.

Thank you

Dan

Re: Identification crash
 

Here is information that may be will find a loss bomdardier four.
According to a U.S. report A.I.2 (g). Of the wrecks found on the airfield St Jacques de Rennes in September 1944.
We have a wreck of a Heinkel 177. WNr.0948.
As we have known no loss in my region He 177, I suppose that the wreckage may have a link with my crash St Séglin.

Re: Identification crash
 

The Losses for the 5.july..

5 KG40 F Seine bucht FJ verm, HE177A-5 213 100
2 KG40 F Invasion strände 6 km See/Seine bucht A FJ 2,000 m 1 stunde lang kampf hinstrecke HE177A-5 210 F8+MK 100
6 KG40 F Seine bucht F NJ Verm, HE177A-5 203 TM+IG 100
6 KG40 F Cherbourg nordl, See /Seine bucht A FL bleibt lange bummeln /F NJ Verm, HE177A-5 195 F8+FP 100
6 KG40 F Cognac FP FJ HE177A-5 550255 GP+RX


A wreck found in an air-place is a self-wrecked aircraft or an aircraft that has made some hardlanding, for sure not one crashed in the open land

Remi

Re: Identification crash
 

Daniel

I am puzzled by the WNr you quote, 0948. Can't find this in Griehl's book about the type in question.

Remi
You are short cut in extreme:), but I have located your losses in Griehl's book. One question though
Your info and Griehl's are mixed when it comes to WNr 550210 and 550211
HE states
550210 A-5 code not known missing 5.7.44 with 4./KG 40
550211 A-5 F8+MK missing 8.8.44 with 2./KG 40

Care to comment?

Cheers
Stig

Re: Identification crash
 

Stig,

NVM says 210 for the 5.july loss, I don't hv the one for the 8.july loss, maybe Brian or Chris...

Remi

Re: Identification crash
 

From NVM I have 550211 8-6-44 Raum Cherbourg and 550213 0n 5-7-1944 which may have fallen to a 456 Sqd Crew at 0010hrs.
The only 4 engine loss I have for 5-7-44 was a Fw 200 shot down by a P-38 near Fl.Horst Cognac with 1 dead, and three wounded taken to Hospital at Saintes but that is too far south.

Could 0948 be 0048 like Stig I could not find 0948 ?

Hope this helps

Brian Bines

Re: Identification crash
 

Hello everyone!

I have a hard time believing that the French Gendarmerie in 44 would classify a He-177 as a four engines bomber...You would have to be mightily knowledgeable about aircraft and especially German aircraft to know about the peculiarities of the He-177!

It would be more logical to me to look for a stray Condor attacked at sea offshore Morbihan and trying to reach Rennes (why not Vannes or St Nazaire which were a lot closer?) and too hopelessly damaged to succeed? Le Gacilly, St Séglin and Rennes are on the shortest straight line from the coast to Rennes in this order...

JV

Re: Identification crash
 

Hi,

But I did not say in my first message in the report of the gendarmerie, it was reported that the bomber with four engines was a He-177.

A few years ago the discovery of this report, it was a question Fw 200.

And then Wednesday after placing my question on the forum, I remembered that a friend had a U.S. document A.I.2 report (g) with the fact that Heinkel 177. WNr.0948 as wreckage on the airfield at Rennes.
I have therefore issued summons to the track for this Heinkel 177.

Dan

Re: Identification crash
 

I agree...the fact that the wreckage of a He-177 (what does that mean? was it a pile of aluminum bit and pieces? a damaged A/C? a dismantled A/C?) may not bear any relation whatsoever with the "bomber with four engines" of the Gendarmerie report, for the reasons I exposed...

JV