What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

In the "Baulosaufteilung Me 109 G lt. Programm v. 18.8.44" compiled at Regensburg on 4 Sept. 44, it stated that of the 2403 G14s being built, 835 would be G-14s, 200 would be G-14s without MW 50, and 1368 would be 109 G14 ASs.

So, what would a G-14 without MW 50 be, especially since the G-14 was simply a G-6 with a DB 605 AM engine and an MW 50 installation?

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

Hi!

"G-14" was a term given to the G6 with MW50 but NOT necessarly with the AM engine...from what I recall. JaPo's book also states "G-14 is a G6 with MW50", but nothing referencing the engine type.

So...G-14 with NO MW50, most likely had the 605A engine?

...which of course would make it a regular G6...unless of course these 200 or so "G-14" birds were to have the most advanced features not common to all G6 (bigger rudder, longer tail wheel strut, erla haube, etc.)

Thoughts?

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

IIRC Rasmussen said once that those G-14 sans MW50 were built with the purpose of becoming trainers...?

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

So to say... a "G-14 w/o MW-50" is a late G-6 with the battery at the rear part of the cockpit :rolleyes:... and maybe some other standardizations of the G-14.

BTW: Thanks for the info on the division into different subtypes of G-14 ! Do you also have this for other factories?

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

My vote would be for a standard G-14 but intended for some mission-dedicated model, e.g. photo-reconn (G-14/R2) where the MW tank might hinder access to a large camera.

Hal

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

Well, certainly those G-14s without MW 50 were built, especially by Erla, as proved by this document from Magg. Mario Bellagambi's (CO of 5s Sq. of 2° Gr. C. ANR) notebook, reporting the listing of Bf 109s of his unit and clearly indicating next to each one with MW 50 the abbreviation "met." for "metanolo" (methanol)...

http://win.150gct.it/public/veltro/Bellagambi_list.jpg

It can be verified that all the G-14s of the listing belonging to the 4643xx and 4644xx batches were devoid of methanol injection. The same applies on a later listing with new arrivals (the complete document is included in our latest book on the ANR C&M published by Classic).

So, if the "Baulosaufteilung" report them as "G-14s without MW 50", why consider them differently?

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

Thank you all for your responses. I wonder, however, if the aircraft would still carry the more highly stressed DB 605AM engine, or would it revert to the DB 605A engine?

Again, thank you very much,
George

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

What is an AM engine anyway? I tend to believe its just a regular DB 605A, with an M suffix to designate there are pipes and settings for MW50 boost. Or am I totally wrong..?

Can any of the DB experts shed light on the differences between A and AM perhaps?

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

It is indeed the only difference:
DB 605 A without WM injection 1475 HP.
DB 605 AM with WM injection 1800 HP.

Norbert

Re: What is a 109 G14 without MW 50?
 

Norbert is correct but there is one additional item. The AM engine required C3 fuel whereas the standard A-engine used B4 aviation fuel.

Hal