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edwest 30th September 2008 01:58

Photos 9-29
 
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Usual disclaimer,
Ed

Kari Lumppio 30th September 2008 09:19

Re: Photos 9-29
 
Hello!

This photo:
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shows quite likely a weather reconnaissance plane/unit emblem. The sensor looks to be thermometer one. Also unit insignia includes weather map signs of cold and warm fronts and fog (?) between them. The "wing" on top is map symbol for wind. The number of "feathers" tells the wind velocity. In this case 35 m/s? (three and half feathers) - quite a lot. Correct if I am wrong - the wind velocity symbol is used even today but it is loong time since I last had to memorize such things.

Kari

obdl3945 30th September 2008 12:10

Re: Photos 9-29
 
Hi, folks...

Any ideas on this photo, either...?

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Apparently the '80' code on the Dornier furthest from the camera stood for Aufklärungsgruppe (R) 18, according to Alain Fleuret's Luftwaffe Camouflage 1935-40 (Kookabura), but what did the 'R' stand for, and how should the codes be interpreted in relation to the Staffel identification...?

Thanks in adavnce for any suggestions/information...

DeMePhi 30th September 2008 12:45

Re: Photos 9-29
 
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Messerschmitt Bf 109 with doppelwinkel 2 + and RV bands, but which one? Same Fw 190 D-9 unfortunately to little info...

musec04 30th September 2008 21:55

Re: Photos 9-29
 
Hello All,

Has anyone any further information on the military use of the Farman F.230 in image http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=170267729498

Also can anyone identify the aircraft sown in link http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...m=180294904819

Once again Ed, thanks for discovering some outstanding photos.

Regards,

Clint

Snautzer 30th September 2008 22:40

Re: Photos 9-29
 
the heydrich pictures have been published before,


Dora-Kurfurst und Rote 13 - Band I" [Karl Ries, 1964]

Kagero Jg1 OESAU 1939-43

RudiS 1st October 2008 00:55

Re: Photos 9-29
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by obdl3945 (Post 74055)
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Apparently the '80' code on the Dornier furthest from the camera stood for Aufklärungsgruppe (R) 18, according to Alain Fleuret's Luftwaffe Camouflage 1935-40 (Kookabura), but what did the 'R' stand for, and how should the codes be interpreted in relation to the Staffel identification...?

Not sure what the R stands for but this is what the code means:

80+B14 :
8 = "Kreis" number, in this case Wien (Vienna)
0 = Geschwader in this "Kreis"
B = aircraft letter
1 = indicates the Gruppe
4 = indicates the Staffel or Staffelen (not necessairy the 4th).

Hope this helps.
Kind regards,
Rudi.

obdl3945 1st October 2008 11:49

Re: Photos 9-29
 
Hi, Rudi...

Thanks for that. As far as the 'R' is concerned, I suppose it could have the same meaning as the 'R' in Ju87R, namely Reichweite, which I believe is connected to the fact that that version carried underwing fuel tanks to extend the range. However, I would have thought the usual term of Fern (Distance) would have been more appropriate to denote long-range. I suppose it could just be a typographical error, since F and R are close to each other on a computer keyboard, perhaps on old type-writers etc, as well... all very strange.

Regards

Stig Jarlevik 2nd October 2008 21:51

Re: Photos 9-29
 
Guys
With ref to the early Do 17,
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I guess the R could also stand for Reserve, that is a reserve unit.

The code 80+B14 works fine with me, but what about the aeroplane in front, 80+B3K? What kind of stafffel is referred to with the letter K or what else could be the meaning??

With the regard to the French experimental aircraft I have seen it or something like it, but can't put a finger on it unfortunately. The Farman 230 was a pixie and I don't think this one had had any military service.
Large numbers of French light civil aircraft was impressed by the Armée de l'Air and used for liasion duties, but those I have seen did combine the civil registration with some kind of roundel.

Cheers
Stig


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