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Peter Kassak 11th January 2009 15:18
III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
Hi all

I am looking for the date of the crash shown on photos at this page
http://www.pewteraircraft.com/STRUCK...90%20A%208.htm
Can someone point out the WNr.?
In his Flugbuch he noted three flights in Fw 190 with tactical number 15. None with note of emergency landing, crash landing or whatever caused the Fw to be as on photos. the first flight was at ZG 76, remaining two already with JG 54. Question for marking experts...Is it possible that the special marking of the Fw 190 was the usual style for ZG 76 Focke Wulfs?
Eventually has someone bigger photo of pilot Heinz Schmidt available?
THANKS a lot...

RT 11th January 2009 18:06
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
So this plane has not been flown by Schmidt that day

Remi

Franek Grabowski 11th January 2009 20:22
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
The story was published years ago in the Aeroplane. This was special marking for Oder bridges operations.

Peter Kassak 11th January 2009 20:37
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
Thank you guys

RT: Do we know the day of accident?
Franek: Can you support me with scan of the article you mention? THX

Franek Grabowski 11th January 2009 22:10
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
If I only knew the issue. The man for whom you are looking is Richard Chapman of Kaufberen.

Peter Kassak 12th January 2009 09:06
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
wow, does anyone have contact to him?
Thanks!

markjsheppard 12th January 2009 15:13
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
Peter

I am. I'll ask him the question.

regards

Mark

trevor baxter 12th January 2009 19:40
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Kassak (Post 79591)
Hi all

I am looking for the date of the crash shown on photos at this page
http://www.pewteraircraft.com/STRUCK...90%20A%208.htm
Can someone point out the WNr.?
In his Flugbuch he noted three flights in Fw 190 with tactical number 15. None with note of emergency landing, crash landing or whatever caused the Fw to be as on photos. the first flight was at ZG 76, remaining two already with JG 54. Question for marking experts...Is it possible that the special marking of the Fw 190 was the usual style for ZG 76 Focke Wulfs?
Eventually has someone bigger photo of pilot Heinz Schmidt available?
THANKS a lot...
HI
I have some cuttings from the origional "aeroplane monthly" article and it states that Heinz Schmidt flew with 10./JG 54 and that he crashed his black 15 on his return from an attack on the Oder bridges date 11.3.1945.There are two other photos of crashed aircraft from the same unit (quality not good).

Brian Bines 12th January 2009 20:24
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
Luftwaffe Q.M's returns dated 21-3-45 show two crashlanded Fw190's of III/JG54 at Eggersdorf on 11-3-45 - wn 759560 35% inf. Bedienungsfehler and wn 961964 15% Feindbeschuss (nicht Feindbeob.) No mention of pilots who must have not been hurt, and no aircraft markings shown.

John Beaman 12th January 2009 21:17
Re: III./JG 54 black 15 crash date
 
Keep in mind that this is a completely "new" III./JG 54, not the original one which merged with JG 26 in early 1945. This new unit was, I think, made up from non-fighter trained pilots. Perhaps someone can amplify.


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