Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/index.php)
-   Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/forumdisplay.php?f=8)
-   -   St Kap 3/123 Aug 43 (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=16449)

Chris Goss 23rd March 2009 21:52

St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Does anyone know who was St Kap of 3/123 at the time of its 2000th mission on 28 Aug 43? Possibilities are Hptm Hermann Spreen?

Doug Stankey 23rd March 2009 23:02

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
A quick search of our database reveals the following incomplete list of Staka of 3.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 123:

Hptm. Liebe-Piederit (? - 01.09.39 – 19.07.40) KIA
Oblt. Adolf Friedrichs (08.40 - 1941/42)
Hptm. Hermann Palm (? – 05.42 - ?)
Hptm. Siegfried Kirch (? – 22.03.43?)
Helmut Schuke (22.03.43? – 11.04.43) MIA
Hptm. Helmut Höfer (? – 1944 ?)
Hptm. Christian Jährig (1944 - 03.45 – 08.05.45)

As for Spreen, all we have about this guy is:

SPREEN, Hermann. 01.10.41 promo to Hptm. 01.09.44 promo to Maj.

Larry might have more about this in his unit files but he is unavailable until near the end of the month.

That’s about all I can say about this

DGS

Jérémie Tarpon 24th March 2009 18:04

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Hello Chris,

According to Roman Gastager (Roman Gastager und die "Eiserne Dritte" by Ingo Möbius, published in 2005), Helmut Höfer is your man. Gastager actually identifies him on some of the photographs taken for this event.

Doug, thank you for your list!

Best regards,

Jérémie

Chris Goss 24th March 2009 18:37

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Jérémie

I have a series of photos of what is said to be the Groth crew with the St Kap standing in front; is this the same?

Chris

ju55dk 24th March 2009 22:16

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Goss (Post 83548)
Jérémie

I have a series of photos of what is said to be the Groth crew with the St Kap standing in front; is this the same?

Chris

Hi Chris.

In the mentioned book the 2000 flight occured 23.08.1943. Ju 88 4U+BL. Take off 16.43 and landing after 1100 km at 19.40. Crew were B Oblt. Klien, FF Oblt. Müller, Bf Kirch and Bs Gastager. They were Greeted by StKptn. Hptm Helmut Höfer.

Junker

Jérémie Tarpon 24th March 2009 22:35

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Chris, I don't know these photos, but Helmut Höfer remained as Staffelkapitän till after the retreat from France to Germany in August 1944 and the Groth crew - Uffz Helmut Retsch (F), Oblt Klaus Groth (B), Uffz Horst Ballewski or Ballowski (Bf) and Fw Ernst Beyer (Bs) - was shot down and killed by 2 Allied Fighters during a test/training flight on 21 March 1944. Thus, photos showing the Groth crew with Hptm Höfer would not be completely unexpected.

Best regards,

Jérémie

Chris Goss 25th March 2009 10:05

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Jérémie
Thanks for this; I ha a number of photos of Groth & the burial of his crew.

Junker/Jérémie
Is this Gastager book worthwhile or just something based on his Flugbuch?

Chris

ju55dk 25th March 2009 14:32

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Hi Chris.

I think it's worthwhile because it's a mix of some flights from his Flugbuch, and also the daily life in this Staffel. Gastager was with the unit from 1940 until the end.

Junker

Jérémie Tarpon 25th March 2009 18:39

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
I agree with Junker: from a purely factual point of view, the book reflects Gastager's flying log, except that he sometimes has precise recollections of some flights. Moreover, you have numerous photographs and an interesting insight in the Staffel life. Surprisingly, I have recently discovered (thanks to Brian Bines) that there is an English version of the book (The Easter Bunnies) with a different author (???), almost the same content, but some additional photos and a partial loss list.

Best regards,

Jérémie

Chris Goss 3rd April 2009 11:51

Re: St Kap 3/123 Aug 43
 
Just got a 2nd hand copy of 'The Easter Bunnies'. Must say that the photo quality is dreadful, text is interesting in places but incomplete and the appendices appear to have been added as an after thought to bump up the page count. I need to compare some of the dates and incidents with my records but it does identify the St Kap in the Summer of 43 as being Höfer but my photos are slightly different


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:33.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2026, 12oclockhigh.net