Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

Hi guys

Regarding the shooting down by the RAF of Red-Crossed marked He59s in early July 1940, we know that D-ASAM and D-ASUO were painted white, but what about D-AGIO lost on 11 July?

Were there any other incidents of German civilian-marked aircraft shot down by the RAF or ground fire?

Cheers
Brian

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

Brian,

Dont know if you are interested in this one Fw200 Condor D-AHML 'Pomerania' shot down on 27-9-1944 at 2030hrs by a Beaufighter of US 415th NFS. Condor on the Stuttgart to Barcelona run Flg. Kap Limon plus two crew and five passengers killed in crash Dole/Dijon, there was a web Page on this one.
I believe Condor D-ARHW of DLH 'Friesland' was shot down into the sea while on a flight to Sweden on 29-11-44, I have no more details, or if this was an own goal.
I assume both of these were in DLH rather than Luftwaffe markings,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

Can't help you with incidents but have you seen this Brian

http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/document-25.html

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YYjw0QK0wE

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

As a reaction to the loss of many Seenotdienst aircraft to RAF fighters and other aircraft, the Führungsstab of Oberkommando der Luftwaffe issued an order on 29.07.1940, that all Seenotdienst aircraft, until then flown with civil registrations and red cross markings, should immediately be armed and painted as normal frontline aircraft. Of course it did take some time before all aircraft received new paint. At the same time the civil registrations were dropped and the aircraft received standard Stammkennzeichen.

Your aircraft that was lost on 11.07.40 was definately white with red cross markings.

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

Thanks Seaplanes

Next question!! Can anyone provide first names etc of the crews of the three ASR He59s in question:

1/7/40 D-ASAM (Ielsen/Fehske/Stuckman/Philipp) POW

9/7/40 D-ASUO (Maywald/Bartmann/Anders/Schiele) POW

11/7/40 D-AGIO (NCO crew - names unknown) POW??

Thanks in advance
Cheers
Brian

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

Hello again Brian,

Everything OK with you?

With regard to the first names I cann add:
FF Uffz Ernst-Otto Nielsen (not Ielsen)
BO Lt Hans-Joachim Fehske
BF Geft Erich Phillip
BM Uffz Struckmann (no first name and last name Struckmann instead of Stuckmann

Much appreciated if anyone can add the Erkennungsmarken (identity numbers) too!

Best wishes,
Hans Nauta

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

Brian,

11-7-40 My notes say put down with engine trouble off the Cornish coast crew picked up by second He59. QM's returns has He59 Seenot 1 100% Fighter fire, crew rescued unhurt no names shown.

1-7-40 Uffz Ernst Ielsen, Ltn. Hans Joachim Fehske, Ogef Erich Philipp, Uffz ? Stuckmann,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

I used an account from Fehske in my Luftwaffe Bombers book if this is of interest. There is also photos of the He 59 shot down on 15-16 Aug 40 which was very much still white

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

There are a few more He 59 Seenotaircraft that was lost to enemy fire while in red cross markings:
D-AKAR on 20.07.40
D-ASUC on 28.07.40
D-AROO on 28.07.40
D-AFFK on 15.08.40

Re: Red-Cross marked He59s July 1940
 

Hi guys

Many thanks indeed. Now I require names/fates of crews!!!

I am including these losses in Volume I of my friendly fire book, in a miscellaneous section, hence the request.

Did D-AFFK fall to a Hudson or Spitfires? I have seen both mentioned.

Cheers
Brian