26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Hi all gents!

On 27 june 1944 II./ZG1 had a hard fight over Budapest, and lost many a/c with crews.

Fight was from 10.25 to 10.55, T.Wood list give us only 7 claims for JG302, 2 for II./ZG1 and 1 for ZG76.

27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+AM, 6401, 100% Both crewmen wounded on combat mission. Budapest.
27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+EM, 5408, 100%, Shot down on combat mission. 21 Kms. north- west of Budapest.
27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+KN, 120049, 100% Pilot killed on combat mission. South of Budapest
27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+CN, 6925, 100% Shot down on combat mission. Budapest
27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+EN, 150127, 100% Pilot killed, bortfunker wounded on combat mission. 20 Kms. North of Budapest.
27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+RN, 6128, 100% Pilot killed, bortfunker wounded on combat mission. 100 Kms. north of Budapest.
27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+CP, 130071, Pilot wounded, bortfunker killed on combat mission. Leva.
27-06-44, Bf 110 G-2, 2N+QP, 130087, Both crewmen wounded on combat mission. Pomatz, 18 Kms. north- west of Budapest.


As a result, gruppe l;ost not less that 6 Bf110G-2's destroyed, and not less than two damaged.

The worst thing was Hptm. Rudolf Wengner, expirienced ace, StaKa 5./ZG1 was shot down and killed in 2N+KN.

Who were the opponents of II./ZG1 on that mission? Again P-51's of 15 AF?

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Hello Evgeny!
I do have 307th Figher Squadron from the 31st Fighter Group fighting against what they identified as Me 410 near Viena ( Austria ) on the 26th June 1944.
Capt Brown and his wingman fought againt the twin engined while the rest of 307th FS clashed against the Bf 109s.
Capt BROWN claimed 3 x Me 410 and 1 x Bf 109
F/O JAY ( RAF?) claimed 2 x Me 410
Lt Main - 1 x Bf 109 ( apparently he was later shot down - do not know if MIA or KIA )
Lt Shipley and Lt Bradley shared a Bf 109
Lt Schanning claimed a LW trainer ( Maybe an Ar-96 or something else ?! Who knows ? )
DO NOT KNOW IF 52nd FG and 325th FG where in combat on this same mission...
Yours ( hope it helped you somehow...)
Adriano Baumgartner

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Thank You very much!

As we have 6./ZG76 claim on that fight, it could be Me410's of II./ZG76 involved in fight. But does its gruppe losses known?

Even if 307th slashed II./ZG76, then who smashed II./ZG1?

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

From what I do have, 6/ZG 76 took off from Königsberg around 09:10hs and some of their pilots landed at Jüterborg-West around 11:00hs.
Unfortunately I do NOT have their losses recorded for that day. Sorry!
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

By the way, may I ask you and someone who may know, what was the flying endurance ( something around 03:00hs ) of the Me 410?
Yours
Adriano

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Ok. Checked other files on the other computer.
2 FS claimed 4 victories
4 FS claimed 3 victories
5 FS claimed 5 victories

95 FS claimed 9 victories
96 FS claimed 3 victories
97 FS claimed 2 victories

307 FS claimed 10 victories
308 FS claimed 3 victories
309 FS claimed 2 victories

ALL official victories atributted to MTO Squadrons on that day ( 26th June 1944 ).
NOW, we do have to sort out what kind of aircraft they claimed, where, times, etc...
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Just to make a correction:
307 FS claimed only 9 victories ( I read twice a line! ) sorry!
and... when I wrote Lt Shipley, PLEASE do consider his name as 1/Lt Ernest Shipman
Yours
Adriano Baumgartner

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Evgeny, you are probably looking for 27th July, not 26th. As I know on 26th II/ZG 1 had lost only four losses. On 27th both, 52nd FG and 31st FG were engaged with Bf 110.

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Arrrgggghhhhh

Gizmo - of coarse!

Mixed in my mind :(

Of coarse I mean 27th june.

Could somehow topic name be corrected?

Re: 26 june 1944, Budapest, II./ZG1
 

Yevgeny,

Per Frank Olynyk's MTO claims on 27 June 1944 for Me-110's:

0955-1031 2/Lt. C.O. Dean (317 FS, 325 FG) 2 x Me-110 damaged
1000 1/Lt. J.S. Clarke, Jr. (2 FS, 52 FG) Me-110
1000 1/Lt. B.W. Dangelmaier (2 FS, 52 FG) Me-110
1000 1/Lt. J.E. Hoffman, Jr. (2 FS, 52 FG) Me-110
1000 Lt. D.R. Riddle (2 FS, 52 FG) Me-110
1000 1/Lt. J.S. Varnell, Jr. (2 FS, 52 FG) 3 x Me-110
1015 1/Lt. R.J. Goebel (308 FS, 31 FG) Me-110
1015 1/Lt. J.B. Sheehan (308 FS, 31 FG) Me-110 probable

Total claims of 8 destroyed, 1 probale and 2 damaged, all in the area of Budapest or between Budapest and Lake Balaton.

Regards,
Tom