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Marc-André Haldimann 4th October 2009 21:15

Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
Good evening to all,

Here are four excellent shots - and so far I know not yet published - of abandonned Bf 109 G's in Southern Italy, taken by Henry "Hank" Ludwin, 9th Combat Camera Unit.

http://brownieb.com/9thCCU/Page0005.htm

If requested, Hi-res pics will be sent after asking to: stevenb1@cox.net

Anybody able to provide already further details?

Cheers
Marc

veltro 5th October 2009 01:20

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
Thanks for the head-up.

The images indicated seem to have been taken in a Sicilian olive grove, maybe in Sciacca or Biscari. Until further examination of higher-resolution images, IMHO nothing more accurate can be seriously said.

Icare9 5th October 2009 11:48

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
If you look back through the previous pages on the link, there seem to be some very important figures in some!! Looks like the Tehran conference where Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill met to discuss plans to co-ordinate the War effort against the Axis Powers. There are many documents photo'd as well so it looks possible to follow the history here. Well worth looking at them all, not just the page you link to!!

DB601E 5th October 2009 14:01

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
According to my first impression, i would also vote for sicily.
(Nature and "timeline" of other pictures)
In this case these aircraftwrecks may belong to the JG 77.
So for further checking it would be great, having the wreck pictures in
high res. But as i can see already know, the most important parts
for easy identifaction aren't visible on the pictures:
Tail and engine cover. But we'll see if there are other details.

RolandF 5th October 2009 20:03

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
Quite interesting is the SM.79 with obscured(yellow?) fuselage band and bright stripes across the upper wing fasces. Armistice delegation or RA crews having chosen the cobelligerent side?

regards

Roland

Gianandrea Bussi 5th October 2009 21:04

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
The S.79 belongs to one Nucleo Addestramento Siluranti (Torpedo Training Unit, code NS).
The pictures of both C.200 and S.79 in the same album may perhaps suggest that italian aircraft were photographed at Korba (Tunisia): 8° Gruppo CT with C.200 and S.79 torpedo units stayed there from 22 september till 1 october 1943.
Anyway, I think that they are "cobelligerant" aircraft.

Gianandrea Bussi

robert 5th October 2009 21:16

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
Hi,

these Bf109s were most likely from II./JG53.

Regards

Robert

Marc-André Haldimann 5th October 2009 22:57

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
Thanks to all for your inputs. Veltro, thanks for the location hypothesis; Robert, any clue you can find on the pics? OR are those pics part of a serie with some already published?

Cheers
Marc

robert 5th October 2009 23:38

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
Hi,

I saw before this photo of yellow 7 from 6./JG53 - unfortunately I don`t remember where it was?

Regards

Robert

Mark Proulx 6th October 2009 04:12

Re: Abandonned Bf 109 G in Southern Italy
 
Hi:

I discussed these aircraft in WOTBC#5 with a couple of photos and came to the conclusion that they are in N. Africa with JG 53.

HTH

Mark Proulx


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