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edwest

24th January 2010 03:45

Photos 1-23, part two

edNorth

24th January 2010 05:00

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

Thanks again, nice to see FB 1 and 3.

John Beaman

24th January 2010 15:51

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

Thanks, Ed. if the a/c in the 4th 109 picture is 780691, it was lost as follows:

Bf 109G-14/AS, 780691, Berger, Ofhr. Günther, 8./JG 53, rote3 + -, 29-Sep-44 WIA due to Luftkampf. ,FSA. RLV, Prien, JG 53 (1998), III, p.1002; Prien, JG 53, III, p.1471, Neustedt/Gemmersheim.

It does not appear to have a KZ in this photo.

ouidjat

24th January 2010 16:44

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

Hi John,
You said "if" it is 780691. I would say "if" the losse is correctly registered since the guy looks more an american GI than a German mechanical. But it's just a thought, I can change my mind in front of other evidences. If my thoughts are good then I don't see how it can be 780691. In LEMB one said the two letters F.T. meant "Flight Tested"?!
Regards, Franck.

JYoung

25th January 2010 16:10

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

Thanks Ed!
Please could someone enlight me about the third 109 photo? What is on the fuselage? A pumpkin, a parachute pack or an unkown(at least for me)aerial cover?
The a/c seems to be a recon version of F.
Best regards.
JY

John Beaman

25th January 2010 16:18

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

Quote:

Originally Posted by JYoung (Post 100071)

Probably a camera magazine since you can see the camera fairing under the fuselage.

Harold Lake

25th January 2010 21:24

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

Ouidjat,

No, the individual in the photo is NOT an American mechanic. Notice he is wearing soiled pants, a leather belt with a bright buckle. American army mechanics were never issued leather belts. Instead they always wore olive drab fabric belts with adjustable brass buckles. Unless the EM (enlisted man) was stationed in the tropics or was on a strenuous work detail, he would never have worked "topless" without the approval of the OIC (Officer in Charge). Violators would have been called-down for being "out of uniform" and risked loss of their job, rank and other privileges.

It is more likely the photo was taken late summer 1944 and the mechanic was probably a civilian Messerschmitt employee. In addition, the "FT" you mentioned was German-applied and stood for "Funkanlage" or "Funktechnisch" and used to call-out the location of the radio equipment within the fuselage.

Hal

JYoung

29th January 2010 17:45

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

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Quote:

Originally Posted by John Beaman (Post 100072)

Probably a camera magazine since you can see the camera fairing under the fuselage.

Hi John, thank you for your enlightment. May I ask a question?
Seeing a enlargement of the 3rd 109 photo, there is a bump on the 4th fuselage frame. Its surface is smoothly raised up from rest of the fuselage. It seems to be done some modification. How do you think about this?
Best regards!
JY

ouidjat

29th January 2010 20:41

Re: Photos 1-23, part two

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Originally Posted by Harold Lake (Post 100082)

Thanks for your help Hal.
Franck.

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