Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

Hello!
I have some problems with this Airgunner and hope someone can help me in this forum!!!

The matter concerns BS OGr. Johann Walter, on my deathcard it says, that he fell 16. Dec. 1942 "an der Ostküste" but in Gräbersuche it says that he is burried in Futa-Pass in Italy.

I am seeking infos about his unit etc. etc. and hope someone can help.

Thank you in advance

Christian

Re: Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

1942-12-16, 1./KG.z.b.V. 323, Me 323, 1108, 50 km südlich Rimini, Vermutlich Bodenberührung um 14.00 Uhr und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
FF Fw Marcks, Lothar, tot
BF Fw Rahe, Theo, tot
BS Flg Lentz, Theobald, tot
BS Gefr Müller, Anton, tot
BS Ogfr Walter, Johann, tot

Best regards,

Matti

Re: Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

Hi Matti,

From Luft QM's returns dated 19-12-1942 it has crew as following:-

Ff Ltn Hoffmann
Ff Fw Marke
Bf Fw Rahme
Bm Fw Hoppert (umlaut over o)
Bm Gef Huttel ( umlaut over u)
Bs Gef Muller (umlaut over u)
Bs Ogef Schereter
Bs Flg Lens

All killed on Heimat flight when aircraft hit ground near Crimmiek(not sure of spelling). I could not see a correction note, is there a mistake in the QM's listing,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

Sorry, I forgot the following crew members (were out of view in my table):

FF Lt Hoffmann, Wilhelm, tot
BM Gefr Hüttel, Johann, tot
BM Fw Geppert, Gerhard, tot
BS Fw Büttner, Willi, tot

My info is from NVM, so the names should be correct.

Best regards,

Matti

Re: Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

Rimini indeed is in the Östküste ...of Italy

Rémi

Re: Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

Matti, thanks for that as you say the unit NVM should be correct rather than the Luft. QM's returns,

Regards

Brian Bines

Re: Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

Maybe it helps ...

The following are all KIA 16.12.1942 with grave at Block 6 of "Kriegsgräberstätte in Futa-Pass (Italien)":


Obergefreiter Anton Müller, 09.01.1921, grave 337
Obergefreiter Johann Walter, 20.02.1919, grave 338
Gefreiter Johann Hüttel, 18.08.1922, grave 339
Flieger Theobald Lentz, 17.07.1923, grave 340

Feldwebel Lothar Marcks, 06.10.1907, grave 211
Feldwebel Gerhard Geppert, 20.12.1915, grave 212
Feldwebel Theo Rahe, 24.02.1920, grave 213
Leutnant Wilhelm Hoffmann, 17.12.1916, grave 214

Feldwebel Willi Büttner, 22.04.1900, grave 420

Haven't found however any crew with name or similar to:
Bs Ogef Schereter

And there is no "Crimmiek" on google maps 50 km S to Rimini.
Also in italian language there rarely are words/place names with letter "K"
like Crimmie"K".
There are a lot of place names with initials "Ca..." 50 km S to
Rimini, maybe one of those ???
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=43.4701134...&search=rimini


bye,
FrankieS

Re: Ogr. Walter, fallen on the "Ostküste", burried in Italy????
 

Frankie, thanks for the additional info. The letters of the place name that can be made out are Cri??iek either a mis-spelling or a German version of an Italian name. With Ogef. Schereter once again a mistake or perhaps assigned to the Flight Crew and replaced by Ogef Walter at the last minute ?

Regards

Brian Bines