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ChristianK 30th April 2010 02:03

Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
Gentlemen,

is there any info available on this aircraft?

http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/P01523.025

Caption says its Werknummer is 335, operational code is ??+TV. There two other photos in the AWM collection which show parts of this plane, but do not reveal any additional information. Does someone has any idea on the unit or the complete Werknummer?

Cheers,
Christian

edNorth 30th April 2010 03:34

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
My vague files (combined with abowe photo) suggest this might be Ju 87 B-1 W.Nr. 0870335 4D+TV of IV/KG 30. This unit (just from memory) retained a few on strength. Ju 87 B-1 0870316 was with this unit when crashed in 1941.

Maybe someone else can confirm.

ChristianK 30th April 2010 17:55

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
In my opinion it sounds very good what you have there, Ed.:) May I ask what's your source?

Cheers,
Christian

ju55dk 1st May 2010 07:59

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
I can confirm Ed's memory, but it was 4D+TW. I have a crystal clear photo of the plane, and entries from FB frm IV/KG 30.

Junker

edNorth 1st May 2010 10:22

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
Great thanks Junker! I had already noticed late last night it was "4D+TW" (12. Staffeln code).

Best regards
ed

ChristianK 1st May 2010 10:26

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
Ah, thanks Jörn. This also explains the light colored code letter (should be yellow then) of a 12th Staffel, instead of a red one for 11.

Does your photo show whether this Ju 87 B-1 still had the old exhaust stacks, or if there was any emblem on the cowling? According to Ketley & Rolfe the 12./KG 30 possibly used a stork carrying a bomb. Any info here?

Cheers,
Christian

ju55dk 2nd May 2010 09:16

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
There are no Gruppe/Staffelmarkings on this Ju 87, but i do have photoes from 1943-44 were this or the other Ju 87 is carrieng the diving eagle of KG 30 but without the background shield. And among the loads of pictures from IV/KG 30 I have never seen the stork emblem on any maschine of IV/KG 30.

Junker

ChristianK 2nd May 2010 11:54

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
Ok, thanks very much for the info, and what about the exhausts - original single-stack version or modified (like it is always said of the B-1 Stukas)?

Christian

brewerjerry 2nd May 2010 17:03

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
Hi Christian
Thanks for posting the link to the photo, interesting in both the subject,

And the AWM's comments on the photo.

Copyright expired - public domain

This term describes material held in the National Collection that is clearly out of the period of copyright protection. Material that has passed out of the period of copyright protection is known as being in the “public domain”.
You do not need permission from the copyright owner to copy this image from the Memorial’s web site, or to reproduce it elsewhere.



Cheers
Jerry

ju55dk 3rd May 2010 16:07

Re: Captured Ju 87 B at Grove
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristianK (Post 106137)
Ok, thanks very much for the info, and what about the exhausts - original single-stack version or modified (like it is always said of the B-1 Stukas)?

Christian

Modified.

Junker


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