ID of insignia on He111 & possible KG4 crash in Holland
 

Hello,

Can anyone ID the insignia (looks like a human figure, possibly with a gun) on this probable KG4 (5J code?) He111 force-landed, probably in the Netherlands during the early days of the western campaign, possibly even May 10, 1940? The white? prop spinners suggest 1, 4 or 7 Staffel but the insignia is unknown to me. Does anyone recognize this crash-landing, and/or have info on the ID of the insignia? According the the caption it was shot down by flak.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_1559wt_1005

Thanx,

Re: ID of insignia on He111 & possible KG4 crash in Holland
 

Are both pictures of the same aircraft?
The coats and gloves of the Germans suggest autumn/winter.
pk

Re: ID of insignia on He111 & possible KG4 crash in Holland
 

Hello,

I now know that this was the well-known 5J+GH of 1./KG54 SD in Poland on 9/3/39. The strange image on the fuselage does not appear on other photos of the front of this plane, so it could be nothing more than a shadow or an oil stain.

Regards,

Re: ID of insignia on He111 & possible KG4 crash in Holland
 

Hi, Larry...

I take it in your reply, where you mention 1./KG54, you meant 1./KG4.

You may already have seen the undernoted, but for those who haven't, I believe all of these are the same machine, given the bullet strikes and slight damage around the wing-to-fuselage fairing.

All but the first photo are from e-bay auctions, the links to which were kindly supplied by Peter Evans over on LEMB in recent weeks. The first is almost certainly also from e-bay, but from some time ago.

Regards,

Paul

Re: ID of insignia on He111 & possible KG4 crash in Holland
 

'Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges.'

Sorry, I couldn't help myself - quote from Mel Brooks' 'Blazing Saddles'.

Re: ID of insignia on He111 & possible KG4 crash in Holland
 

larry,would you mind if i spoke to you via pm?i have been trying to get some info on august klick and his red 2 bf109.