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Chris Goss 28th November 2010 15:19

Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
I have a number of camera gun stills showing Luftwaffe aircraft being shot up on the ground/air; can anyone identify any losses (I do know the identities of the Allied pilots responsible). They are:

30 Aug 43: Bf 110 & Ju 52 at Laon-Athies (Ju 52 seen burning)
11 Sep 43: Fi 156 (air-to-air shot)
4 Oct 43: He 111
4 Oct 43: Bf 110 (air-to-air shot)

Norbert Schuchbauer 28th November 2010 18:51

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
Hi Chris,
30. Aug 1943 Fl.Komp./Ln.Rgt. 3 Laon-Athiens, Bombing raid, Ju 52 WNr. 5012 100%.

All I could find so far,

Regards,
Norbert

anderbe 28th November 2010 18:59

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
Hi.
For 30 Aug 1943 I have the following Bf110.
30 aug 1943 Bf110F-4 w.nr 2679 3./NJG4 Athies. 100%
30 aug 1943 Bf110F-4 w.nr 4681 3./NJG4 Athies. 30%

For 04 Oct 1943 ZG76 lost a lot of Bf110's, so can be hard
to find an exact match.

Regards
Anders

thenelm 29th November 2010 00:26

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
Both losses posted by anderbe was recorded as being due to enemy fire. WNr. 2679 burned on the ground.

Couldn't find any Storches lost in France on 11-Sep., but I did find this one:

Ar 96, 4255, Huppert, Uffz. Hans, , , , Schl.G. 101, , , , , 11-Sep-43, Killed due to enemy fire., , Lfl.3/FR, BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/776, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen und usw., p.135; BA-MA Signatur RL 2 III/783, Flzg.-Unfälle bei Schulen usw., p.28, , bei Couvron, 100%, H, , ,

Chris Goss 29th November 2010 09:38

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
Thanks all. I will be consulting the 609 Sqn F540 this evening so will furnish more. The CG shot on 11 Sep 43 is definitely a Storch but they also claimed the Ar 96 (which I had already). The 4 Oct 43 Bf 110 was a lone one so perhaps another night fighter?

Chris Goss 29th November 2010 19:55

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
30 Aug 43: Claims were Ju 52 & Bf 110 destroyed by Detal and Reahill of 609 Sqn plus Bf 110 probably destroyed and Ju 52 damaged by Detal

11 Sep 43: Fi 156 or Hs 126 destroyed by Leslie of 609 Sqn in Juvincourt/Sissonnes area. Ross of 609 tried to attack a Fi 156 but obviously failed-CG shot could not be Leslie's as he was shot down and killed

4 Oct 43: He 111 was by Henrion of 609 Sqn at either Juvincourt/Sissonne. Bf 110 was by de Moulin at Florennes but could also be by Van Lierde at Hasselt, 30 Nov 43

ClinA-78 29th November 2010 21:06

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
Hello Chris,

Just being curious but did the presumed 4 oct 43 cinegun of De Moulin reveal any detail of the lanscape, height of combat, etc.?
Perhaps a I./NJG 4 material loss?

Best regards

ClinA-78

Chris Goss 29th November 2010 21:11

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
Sorry but just sky and a Bf 110 banking away to the starboard

ClinA-78 29th November 2010 21:28

Re: Luftwaffe Losses NW Europe 1943
 
well, thank you, another strange claim of De Moulin...


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