Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944
 

Hallo,
please, do you have any losses of Bf 109 on 13 Oct 1944 ?? My unknow Bf 109 crashed close Neugrund, pilot killed.

Re: Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944
 

Take your pick -

Bf 109G-14, 464276, Sauerwein, Ogefr. Arnold, , , 1., JG 77, weiße, 9 +, , , 13-Oct-44, WIA, cause unknown., , RLV, Prien, JG 77, IV, p.2174, , östlich Köln, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-, , n.n., , IV., IV., JG 27, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Servicing failure., , RLV, Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, III. & IV./JG 27, p.462, , Ort unbekannt, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, 160069, Hosenberg, Uffz. Otto, , , 7., JG 77, , , CR+DP, , 13-Oct-44, Injured in Notlandung due to engine fire during transit flight., , RLV, Prien, JG 77, IV, p.2174; Menke, SKZ list, , bei Mark Zwuschen, 100%, H, , ,
Bf 109G-14, , n.n., , , I., JG 27, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Accident due to mechanical problem., , RLV, Prien/Rodeike/Stemmer, Stab & I./JG 27, p.554, , Ort unbekannt, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-14, 460603, Czogalla, Fw. Paul, 1, , 8., JG 53, rote, 4 + -, , , 13-Oct-44, WIA due to Luftkampf with P-47s. FSA., , RLV, Prien, JG 53 (1998), III, p.1002; Prien, JG 53, III, p.1471, , Enkenbach/Kaiserslautern, 100%, F, , ,
Bf 109G-6, 413491, Müller, Uffz., , , 2., Erg.NJGr., rote, 10 +, , , 13-Oct-44, Killed in crash., , Nachtjagd, Balss, Deutsche Nachtjagd, p.370, , Hagenau, 100%, H, , ,
Bf 109G-14, , n.n., , , II., JG 3, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Accident due to mechanical problem., , RLV, Prien/Stemmer, II./JG 3, p.419, , Ort unbekannt, b, F, , ,
Bf 109G-14, , n.n., , , III., JG 53, , , , , 13-Oct-44, Luftkampf., , RLV, Prien, JG 53 (1998), III, p.1002, , Ort unbekannt, 100%, F, , ,

Re: Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944
 

Hi Barkas,

Just a question: Which Neuburg?? In Straussberg area, for example?

Franck.

Re: Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944
 

From the summary of Luftwaffe losses, other possible total losses of Bf 109 units:

II/JG 5: an aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
IV/JG 51: an aircraft destroyed by gunfire from enemy aircraft during operational flight, observed by enemy
I/JG 52: an aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
II/JG 301 (then with Bf 109 and Fw 190): an aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
JGr Ost (then with Bf 109 and Fw 190): three aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
JGr Süd (then with Bf 109 and Fw 190): two aircraft destroyed without enemy action on non-operational flight
1./NAGr 5 (then with Bf 109 and Fw 189): one aircraft missing Due to enemy action

Sorry no more details for the above :(, but maybe Jim or Matti will help to complete them.

As oudjat said, more details about the location (like the area, a nearby big town) will help to eliminate possible losses. It the location came from a German report it may refer to a place in Eastern Europe now known under another name, too.

Best regards

Laurent

Re: Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944
 

Hello,

I have two (Three?) Bf 109 losses for JGr. Süd, that date in Straussberg area; but as said Laurent "No more details"!

Tschüss, Franck.

Re: Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944
 

Thanks, gentlemen.
Neugrund is now Novosedlo, village in North Bohemia, Czech.
The plane crashed propably without enemy action and pilot killed. Maybe it was day before, on 12 Oct 1944.

Re: Bf 109 cr. on 13 Oct 1944
 

It seems that plane could crash on any other date before October 13 1944 according to Police Report. My Source didn´t mention Type of Plane. So, I am wonder from which source do you have this information.

Flugzeugabsturz

13.10., 10:30: Luftwaffenflugzeugteile in Gemeinde Oberkolitz, Ortsteil Neugrund, Bez. Boeh. Leipa, aufgefunden. Leiche in naehe der Aufschlagstelle. Einzelheiten nicht bekannt.