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SALERNO1943 11th April 2011 20:38

USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Someone can help me? I'm looking for a list of fighters crashed in Salerno area, south Italy, in 21 sept 1943. I find a crash site of a USA fighters crashed around 50 miles south of Salerno. I know the date is 21 sept but nothave sure informations about fighters.
Thanks for every help you can give me.

Revi16 11th April 2011 20:48

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Here's a list for Italy, nothing on 43 Sept 21 (430921)
http://www.accident-report.com/world/europe/italy.html

Leendert 12th April 2011 08:32

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Closest loss on 21 Sep 1943 in the area would be B-26B 41-17861 of 320th BG/444th BS that ditched at te mouth of the river Sele after flak hit in right engine. Six of crew had parachuted to safety, while pilot and co-pilot got out by dinghy (this B-26 had an eight-men crew, with extra observer and navigator).

I realize this is not a fighter, but it may be a start after all.

Regards,

Leendert

SALERNO1943 12th April 2011 08:42

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Thanks to everyone that help me. The date appear to be sure because a witness that lived that days write in his diary: 'Tuesday 21 sept. 1943 a USA airplane was shot from german fighters. Pilot bailed out and aircraft crashed on earth'. The witnessing appears to be sure. Do you have some ideas??? The place on ground was 50 miles south of Salerno or 10 miles south\east of Agropoli.

Laurent Rizzotti 12th April 2011 13:20

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Even if the date is sure, the nationality of the shot down aircraft is not. Civilian witnesses were not very good to identify aircraft in the air, and military ones were not better.... So you can search losses of all Allied airforces.

Leendert 12th April 2011 13:39

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Spitfire EF550 (RAF) reportedly crashed 55 m. S. of Salerno, but then on 23-9-43.

On 21 Sep 43 2nd Lt William F. Imwall of 31st FG/309th FS was killed. This FG was in the process of transferring from Sicily to Montecorvino.
However, I don't know the circumstances of his death.

Regards,

Leendert

SALERNO1943 12th April 2011 16:44

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Here is a report of crash site we investigate.

We know from book and witnessing that a USA aircraft crashed on ground in sept 1943 (some say 9 sept, some say 21 sept) around 50 km south of Salerno. Perhaps aircraft had double fuselage. Shot down from german fighters. Pilot bailed out before crash.

Every informations you can give to identify it will be very appreciate.

The place.
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8/foto01n.jpg

Aircraft crashed near this home
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7672/foto02x.jpg

The point of crash site
http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4782/foto03os.jpg

Researchers Antonio, Gigi, Daniele e Antonio.
http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7365/foto05b.jpg

Time for brakfast...
http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/6240/foto06.jpg

Fragments
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7915/foto07f.jpg

Fragments with colours olive drab, yellow e sky-blue.
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/5225/foto08q.jpg

Printing P87)
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/5231/foto09h.jpg

Printing 191161
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9922/foto10jv.jpg

Plexiglass.
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/103/foto11ip.jpg

Printing … ARMY … FORCES … WEIGHT …
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2213/foto12zu.jpg

Bullets 12,7 with printings: KS 42, SL 42, 42 TW.
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/5089/foto13e.jpg

Printing: 10
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2981/foto14t.jpg

Printings: 14 ST, 247805, (704), 246079.
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/5457/foto15ne.jpg

Printing: 6642-2R
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2127/foto16g.jpg

John Beaman 12th April 2011 19:44

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Neither are there any known claims by German fighters on that date in the Med. Date must be incorrect or records from both sides are missing or wrong. Neither are there any German claims for the 20th or the 22nd.

SALERNO1943 12th April 2011 19:55

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Beaman (Post 125936)
Neither are there any known claims by German fighters on that date in the Med. Date must be incorrect or records from both sides are missing or wrong. Neither are there any German claims for the 20th or the 22nd.

Thanks. Any USA fighters crashed in south Italy in 21 sept. 1943??????

ClinA-78 12th April 2011 20:23

Re: USA Fighters crashed in Salerno 21 sept 1943?
 
Hello,

It smells like a P-38, especially the hemispheric part with 14 ST, 247805, (704), 246079. Be cautious even with firsthand notes.

Best regards

ClinA-78


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