final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

Hello

It is recorded that Heinkel Rostock had a Bf108, Wnr.2061 as they had also one or two He111 for transport/liaison duties. Does anyone know what became of this Bf108 ?

Any info is much appreciated, Marcel

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

I have one record:
Bf 108B W.Nr.2061 - On 18.7.1942 was 20% damaged due engine troubles (II./JG27)

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

1942-11-04, Stab II/JG 27, Bf 108B-2, 2061, Fl.Pl. Sanyet Qutaifiya, Bombenwurf. Bruch 100 %.

Matti

OOPS ! Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

Dear Net_Sailor and Matti,

What a wonderful, swift and interesting reply but... I made a mistake: it was meant to type the Wnr. 2091 instead of2061! I am terribly sorry for this stupid error, caused by my impatient curiousity...

If you could forgive me and once more checking your files, that would be much appreciated because I get frightened to check all microfilm reels of Gen.Qm.Abt.6 Verluste bei den fliegende Verbände.

Many thanks for your patience, Marcel

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

1943-08-18, 3./Blindflugschule 10, Bf 108B-1, 2091, TF+JI, Halle-Nietleben, Absturz infolge Motorbrand und Aufschlagbrand. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Fw Hörbeck, Franz, tot
Fw Hörbeck von I/JG Hermann.

Matti

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

Hello Matti,

If you were a handsome Finish girl doing air war research (the same Holy Grail as the Gen.Qm.Abt. 6 losses of the Fliegende Verbände in 1944 ) I could kiss you for this interesting news! What puzzles me, is that I got a message that Heinkel Einflieger Gotthold Peter should have made flights with a He219 with call sign TF+JI which is very strange if there is also a Bf108 with the same Stkz.

There are some options:
- Peter's logbook is not properly cited and the real Stkz looks alike TF+JI, an option I will try to check or Peter flew actually this Bf108 but wrote He219. With the last option, one would expect it otherwise: testflying the He219 but covering with 'Bf108' > in several Heinkel documents He219's pop up being written as He111N, so Bf108 would be a strange anomaly.
- The Stkz. TF+JI was temporarily loaned from Heinkel's own Bf108 with Wnr.2091 (seems not likely to me)
- The Stkz. TF+JI was given to two different aircraft which seems unlikely too

Well, if it all was easy we would not enjoy this sort of mysteries won't it?
Again many thanks for your invaluable help, best regards,

Marcel

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

I am always very suspicious when seeing a SKZ in documents. There are so many typing errors, that at least two really different sources are necessary to have some confidence. Of course the best source is good photo but in this case it is not available.
You might very well be right and TF+JI is SKZ of He 219. So far I have not seen same SKZ used in two different aircraft on purpose. Therefore we can forget for the time being this TF-JI with Bf 108 until someone finds surrporting evidence.
Besides the options you wrote, there is also another - that nasty old German habit to use capital "J" instead capital "I" gives me headache in many cases. Perhaps also in this?
Hopefully other members of this forum can help.

Best regards,

Matti

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

Hello Matti,

I already tried several other combinations, starting from the point of view that a F was actually an incomplete E and I also switched separate parts of this Stkz. with no result or leading me to another aircraft type.

For the time being I stop speculating and will patiently await a copy/scan of this Flugbuch page in order to see for myself.

Again thanks for your thoughts! Best regards, Marcel

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

Hello Marcel,

I can proof the STKZ TF+JI as a Bf 108 from four different logbooks at Heinkel Rostock between October 1940 and June 1943.

Re: final fate Bf108 (Wnr. 2061)?
 

Hello Merlin,

Sorry for not responding earlier... too many work in the pipeline(s). That is excellent news (at least for this Bf108 and not for 'my' subject He219).

Could you please check your 4 different logbooks whether it contains info about the He219's flown in Rostock-Marienehe? That would be great! If you don't want to put these public, please send me a PM to
marcelhogenhuis[at]gmail.com

Many thanks in advance! Marcel Hogenhuis / Venlo