LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

Hi all,

Looking for detail surrounding the loss of a LW plane (probably KG53) on 12.10.1944 in Zamoly Ungarn.

Thomas

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

Possibly this, although different location (typo?):
1944-10-12, 14./KG 27, He 111H-16/R1, 161884, 1G+RY, Zamboly, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Ulziffer, Johann, +
Beobachter Fw Szech, Heinrich, +
Bordfunker Fw Schindler, Ernst, +
Bordwart Fw Boewer, Hans, +

Matti

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

That's a definitive typo, place is Zámoly. The particular aircraft was probably Art Fiedler's seventh air victory (reported at Csákvár), although I don't have the very exact locations of the claims from personal encounter reports (there were few other He 111 claims too by Mustangs and other types as well).

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

Thanks Matti!

That is the one I was looking for. Szech (DKiG) use to be a member of I/KG53.

@ Csaba B. Stenge.

This He111 was supposedly attacked by 4 American fighters.

Regards, Thomas

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

This one could also have been the victim of 2nd Lt. Jervis V. V. Heimbach of 319th F.S. who claimed a He 111 that day at 14:20 some 32 km W of Budapest, which is about correct for the location of Zámoly.

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

In straight line, Zámoly is approx 50 km W, SW from Budapest today. In 1944, the distance was higher, since the external districts in western Budapest were much smaller. A claim from 1944 as 32 km West from Budapest is eastern, than Csákvár.

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

Also the following were shot down:
1944-10-12, 14./KG 27, He 111H-16/R1, 161925, 1G+PY, 6 km nördlich Balatonfüred, Jägerbeschuß. Bruch ? %.
1944-10-12, 14./KG 27, He 111H-16/R1, 162373, 1G+OY, Rackeve, Jägerbeschuß um 14.30 Uhr. Bruch ? %.

Matti

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

First is either the success of one of the three pilots of 332nd FG (1 Lt William W Green Jr., Cpt. Wendell O. Pruitt and 1 Lt. Luther H. Smith Jr. each claimed a He 111 near Lake Balaton) or the success of Lt. Hudson from 4th FS/52nd FG who claimed a damaged He 111 in this area or as commonly happened, the same aircraft was attacked and claimed repeatedly by different pilots.

Re: LW loss on 12.10.1944 Ungarn
 

Hi together.

161 925 Ferry-Flight from Budapest-Ferehengy
lost by american fighters 100%
BO Fw. Jan Ufen WIA 01.02.1917

162 373
ferry-flight from Steinamanger to Budapest-Ferehengy
lost by american fighters at Rackeve 100%

FF Ofw. Johann Ladinig 19.12.1919 KIA
BO Uffz. Hosrt Laube 22.07.1921 KIA
BF Fw. Emil Pfeil 10.10.1920 KIA
BM Fw. Eberhard Schieber 12.07.1921 WIA but died 12.11 in hospital

Regards Rüdiger