G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

Hi gents,

I have two different losses for this one:
7./ JG 53 on 22/8/1944, 100%. (From Prien I think).
6./ JG 27 on 26/9/1944, no rate given in Arnhem. don't know the source.

Thanks for your expert comments.

Cheers, Franck.

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

Hello Franck,

Regarding your inquiry on Bf109G-14 780793, I have the following in my database file:

G-14/AS, 780793, 4+ - W, 7./II./JG 53, Uffz. Joachim Hübner, WIA/LK P-38, FSA, 44/08/22, SSW Achery, France, 100%, 53.

My source is a JG53 loss list.

Steve Sheflin

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

6./ JG 27 on 26/9/1944, no rate given in Arnhem. don't know the source.

There are 3 G 14 Losses of II./JG 27 at the 27 Sept. 44 in the Arnheim Area
One are the 780 793 of Fhr. Horst Schneider - wounded

782 340 Fw Roland Haselbach POW and 780 944 Lt Alfred Belz +

Greetings Peglar

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

Peglar,

These II./27 losses were on 26/9/1944.

Thanks,

John

Ps. cannot explain the 780793 either. I have the VLM for 6./27 on 26/9/44 and the number is clear...780793.

J.

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

For both losses the NVMs give the 780793, in fact which other source could we hv for these losses ???

Rémi

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

Thanks Guys,

I have the same pilot names and occurence. Note that LEMB StKz data page is giving White 4 for 6./JG 27 loss (?)
The same data source is giving 780793 as a Regensburg G-6/AS in production batch sheet ...
Whatever, it seems that the first hand source for all these losses listing are the NVMs as told by Rémi.
What we do now?; expecting another source? A typo? maybe ... but amazingly I did check the production batch just to see its position in the list ... Bingo, It's the last of that said batch. Two 780793? Is it possible?

Cheers, Franck.

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

Hi Franck

you must read the entry as follows

white 4 + - and other source D0079 with 6./JG 27 on 1944-09-26

D0079 is found on the source list in the LEMB list

Sorry for the confusion. But I noticed many conflicting data is around.
Therefore i attached the other source.

I think one of the sources has a typo on the W.Nr.

Kind regards

Peter van Gogh

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

Not sure why we talk about white 4....the NVM says literally;

Bf 109 G-6/AS, WNr. 780793, gelbe 4, 6./JG 27, Raum Arnheim
Fhr. Horst Schneider, geb. 13.11.1924, EM 68416/689, vermisst.

As far as I can see now he is still listed as MIA.

Thanks,

John

Re: G-14/AS 780793 loss
 

Hello Peter & John,

This is the reason why it's a little bit confusing (extract from LEMB StKz data base). Peter is guilty - he knows - but not that much 'cause he did so huge work for long that he must be forgiven! ;)

In fact, as he wrote in his post upper we must read White 4 for 7./JG 53 source being B0469 and date of notice 22-8-1944.
For 6./JG 27 we have respectively D0079 and 26-9-1944.

Thanks anyway for your work Peter; I told you many times as you perfectly knows and until long-awaited-in-the-next-future-uptodate-publications it remains the (MY) main source of "inspiration"!

Thank you John for tha "Gelbe 4" indication, very useful. Note that Peglar is writing "Wounded".

My God! I cannot imagine how long it will takes if we have to check 35000 (around) numbers ... Life is so short! :D.

Cheers, Franck.