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NickM 12th June 2012 03:10

Need help IDing I unit I came across...
 
...Got Don Caldwell's new book; Early on, I came across a unit abbreviation that I was not able to find a definition for (heck I'm just too lazy to look actually...):

JLUberprGr that was stationed at Orleans-Bricy...some sort of training unit or something?

Thanks ahead of time.

Don Pearson 12th June 2012 03:24

Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...
 
Jagdlehrer Überprüfungsgruppe?

Don

NickM 12th June 2012 03:26

Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Pearson (Post 149424)
Jagdlehrerüber- prüfungsgruppe?

Don

OK; what does it translate as, by the way.

Don Pearson 12th June 2012 03:31

Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...
 
Google says "hunting teacher testing group"

Don

NickM 12th June 2012 03:41

Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Pearson (Post 149426)
Google says "hunting teacher testing group"

Don

Well replace 'hunting' with 'Fighter'...so something like 'Fighter Training Testing Group';

Of course, we're still not totally sure that was what the acronym stood for, though;

Larry deZeng 12th June 2012 03:47

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Good grief.............

I would translate it as Fighter Instructor Examination (or Testing) Group.

The British Air Ministry's Manual of German Air Force Terminology translates it as Fighter Tactical Experimental Group.

Maybe Caldwell has a better translation.

L.

NickM 12th June 2012 07:36

Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry deZeng (Post 149428)
Good grief.............

I would translate it as Fighter Instructor Examination (or Testing) Group.

The British Air Ministry's Manual of German Air Force Terminology translates it as Fighter Tactical Experimental Group.

Maybe Caldwell has a better translation.

L.

Thanks Larry; the main thing was I couldn't find it anywhere but on the graph & the map...anyhow, I have just started reading the book--and I tend to be a bit of a 'skimmer'.

Larry deZeng 12th June 2012 14:20

Re: Need help IDing I unit I came across...
 
Nick, Don & Others -

I found some additional information on it in my notes.

Here is how it appears in contemporary Lw. documents while at Orléans-Bricy: School Units: Jagdlehrerüberprüfungsstelle (Oct 42); Jagdlehrerüberprüfungsgruppe (Nov 42 – Aug 43).
And here is an alternate translation provided by RAF intelligence in 1944-45: Fighter Instructors' Refresher Group.

It was organized in accordance with KStN 1886 (L) and had a Stab, 1. (Einsatz-) Staffel and 2. (Übungs-) Staffel, these being an operational and a training squadron respectively. Its Feldpost Nr. was L 53680.

Its title and organization pretty well indicate its function and mission: to provide refresher training to fighter instructors, test them and then either re-certify them or wash them out. In a sampling of 50 of its losses between Aug 42 and Jun 44, only 5 were due to enemy action. The others were all crashes, accidents, engine failures, etc. This suggests that it was almost exclusively engaged in training.

L.


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