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kaki3152 23rd July 2012 19:41

Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190
 
One of the Osprey books --"P-51 Mustang vs Fw 190: Europe 1943-45" by Martin Bowman has the following statemnt:

"The last P-51 Mustang downed by an Fw-190 is claimed west of Prague by the leading Schlacht ace (w/ 116v) Oblt. August Lambert of Schlachtgeschwader 77"

Can anyone verify this claim?

I've thought that the last P-51 downed by a Fw-190 was the one shot down by Walther Dahl on April 26,1945.

Laurent Rizzotti 23rd July 2012 22:15

Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190
 
I think the important part of the sentence is "by a Fw 190".

Starting from 17 April 1945, the day Lambert was killed, I have the following P-51 claims known:

17/04/1945 n.n. III. SG 77 P-51 - - - - yes JaPo: FW190F;G
17/04/1945 Oblt. August Lambert III. SG 77 P-51 n.b. - - n.b. - no JaPo: FW190F;G
19/04/1945 Oberstltn. Heinz Bär Stab III. EJG 2 P-51 - - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
19/04/1945 Oberstltn. Heinz Bär Stab III. EJG 2 P-51 - - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
20/04/1945 Ltn. Karl Broo 5. JG 53 P-51 - - 12 - yes Prien: JG 53 List
25/04/1945 Uffz. Peter Köster JV 44 P-51 Raum Salzburg - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
25/04/1945 Uffz. Peter Köster JV 44 P-51 Raum Salzburg - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
26/04/1945 Oberst Walter Dahl Stab III. EJG 2 P-51 Raum Dillingen - - - yes F/H: Me 262 Combat Diary
26/04/1945 Ofw. Paul Meier 14. JG 53 P-51 - - 1 - yes Prien: JG 53 List
26/04/1945 Ofw. Paul Meier 14. JG 53 P-51 - - 2 - yes Prien: JG 53 List

EJG 2 was a Me 262 unit, JG 53 was using Bf 109, so the last KNOWN claims by Fw 190 pilots against P-51 are those done by SG 77 on 17 April 1945. The thing being that Lambert claimed only a probable while an unknown pilot claimed a full victory.

kaki3152 23rd July 2012 23:59

Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190
 
From Rammjaeger by Walter Dahl p 222

"...mir einer inzwiachen organisiert Fw-190"

"Die Mustang kurvt ein und fliegt direkt in meine Geschossgarbe.."

In his book he was clearly flying a Fw-190

FalkeEins 24th July 2012 14:19

Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190
 
.....has some great 'stories' ..but as a reliable source Dahl's book is as good as useless..surely everybody knows that by now

kaki3152 24th July 2012 16:34

Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190
 
True,yet surely,even Walter Dahl knew what kind of airplane he was flying on a particular date, if he specifically noted the A/c type.
The inaccuracies of his book are more with reported victories than any other thing. There are other parts of the book that correct or at least, appear to be correct.

kaki3152 24th July 2012 16:50

Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190
 
One late war P-51 Mutang loss not shown in the Luftwaffe victory listing was the loss of a French AF P-51 Mustang to enemy A/C on April 17,1945

On April 17,1945 two P-51 of 2/33 Belfort flown by Lt.s Sainflou and Delegue took off at 0910 to perform a reconaissance mission.
Between Nuertigen and Kirchheim they spotted a dozen enemy aircrafts,identified as Me-109s circling. Lt. Sainflou called Lt. Delegue on the R/T but received no reply.
At that instant, two Me-109s detached from the formation and attacked the two Mustangs. Lt. Sainflou escaped while Lt. Delegue went down in flames.

JG-53 did report combat with two P-51s but reported these escaped.

Nick Hector 26th July 2012 08:27

Re: Last P-51 Mustang Shot Down by a Fw-190
 
Lt. Guenther Landt of 11/JG 53 claimed a Spitfire at 1145. Could it have been a misidentification?


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