Obfw. Franz Barten 11./JG51 on 12Nov41
 

Looking for opinions on a claim for Obfw Franz Barten 11./JG 51 on the 11Nov41 at 08:10 and 08:11. He claimed two "SB-3" but gave no locations. IV/JG 51 was stationed at Jermolino (Yermolino) at that time. On that day there was no other claims for bombers on that part of the front. The Soviets lost two DB-3F of the 445 DBAP (36 AD DD) one crashed 20 km W of Lopasnya and the second E of Stremilovo. These locations are east of Serpuchov and north of the Oka River. Considering the location is it reasonable that these were Barten's claims? German pilots were misidentifying DB-3's and SB's in a lot of dogfights.

Re: Obfw. Franz Barten 11./JG51 on 12Nov41
 

Hi,
Sorry i not have the answer but i have a dude because in my data these claims were:
12.11.41 8:10 SB-3 11./JG 51 Ofw Fieger - 24.
12.11.41 8:11 SB-3 11./JG 51 Ofw Fieger - 25.
not the 11!!??
maybe that's why no one answers ...
regards

Re: Obfw. Franz Barten 11./JG51 on 12Nov41
 

I'm quite sure these are number 23 and 24 victories listed for Franz Barten in JFV 6/I page 346 considering that his airfield was within range. I read a Russian source that stated that quite often the Germans confused the DB-3F with the SB.

Re: Obfw. Franz Barten 11./JG51 on 12Nov41
 

Hi,
sorry i only saw the text where have the day 11nov41 not 12nov42...
not the tittle...

Looking for opinions on a claim for Obfw Franz Barten 11./JG 51 on the 11Nov41 at 08:10 and 08:11. He claimed two "SB-3" but gave no locations.......

seems quite likely because there are many confusions over fighters also Mig3, P-40, Hurri and Yak1 i many confusions for example in JG5

sorry about the no help
regards