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andy120 6th January 2013 01:57

Bf109 Rüstatz etc...
 
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Attached is a list of Rüstatz, Rüstzustand and Umrütsatz from several authors. Anyone like to hazard corrections?

Andy

Falcon 8th January 2013 19:15

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Nice work. Some typo corrections...

Denniss 8th January 2013 23:59

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Please change "G-2/Rüstsatz 1" and similar to "G-2 Rüstsatz 1" or "G-2 with Rüstsatz 1". The current nomenclature implies the Rüstsatz designation was part of the subversion/model number.
No 500kg bomb on Bf 109G, the carrier was capably of carying such a bomb but insufficient ground clearance on the 109 prevented it's use. At least for machines with standard length tail wheel assembly.

The description of Rüstzustand and Umrüstsatz seem reversed.

/U4 variant should be stated as MK 108 Motorkanone, just MK 108 may be misleading

/R3 long range recons had no MGs (but retained Motorkanone) - space needed for additional oil tank.

G-5/AS/R2 - Recon with DB 605AS engine

andy120 9th January 2013 06:37

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Hi guys, Names sorted. I don't think MK108 is abnormal since all other weapons are abbreviated as well. The /R3 I find questionable as to fairing over the MG troughs applies to 100% of conversions. Thanks for the help Falcon. Andy

harrison987 10th January 2013 16:08

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The G10/U4 was also not only Mk108, but also MW50. BUt...MW50 was actually standard at that point, so not sure if it was considered to be Rüstatz?

Mike

Denniss 10th January 2013 16:26

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MW-50 was standard for G-10/-14, /U4 was just the designation for the MK 108 Motorkanone (instead of the standard MG 151/20.)

Mermet 11th January 2013 16:49

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Rüstsatz 3 (R3) was standard on Bf 109 G-10, G-14 and K-4. There was no reason to add a reference to it on those versions. The compressed air was taken directly on the compressor spirale.
Bf 109 G-6/U3 was the earlier designation of the Bf 109 G-8. From a letter from Mtt-GmbH, there was no specific designation of the MW 50 for the Bf 109 G-6 : that was simply Bf 109 G-6/MW.
That was not the case for the G-8. MW50-equipped G-8s were designated G-8/U3.
U4 was generally the axial MK 108 (but also the u/w MK 108). Only WNF produced Bf 109 Gs with the axial MK 108.
There was no "U1" (GM-1) on Bf 109 G-14, G-10 and K-4. Only Erla-Leipzig produced Bf 109 Gs with GM-1 device (only propelled via compressed air contained in bottles). The sole foreseen version with both GM-1 and MW50 was the Bf 109 H-2/H-3.
The MW 50 could be replaced (70 ltr) by fuel (Bf 109 K-4).
It seems that the BSK 16 in the left wing of the K-4 was Rüstsatz 8 (R8).
One Erla-built G-10 is known to have been equipped with MG 151/20 in gondolas on underwing. The designation was surely not R6, then R6 on this plane was the PSK 12 for all weather flying.

JCM

Denniss 11th January 2013 20:19

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Originally Posted by Mermet (Post 160488)
The designation was surely not R6, then R6 on this plane was the PSK 12 for all weather flying.

You mixed up /R6 with R VI. /U4 was only applied to the Motorkanone, nothing else. The /U4 versions were intended to be fitted with optional MK 108 gondola weapons but these gondolas were never introduced. Some G-6/U4 + G-14/U4 were built in Györ,Hungary.

Rasmussen 11th January 2013 22:07

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Originally Posted by Denniss (Post 160494)
You mixed up /R6 with R VI.

He didn't ... The official designation of bad weather fighters with PSK 12 used by Erla in all documents was "G-10/R6".

Best regards
Rasmussen

Denniss 12th January 2013 01:02

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That's Rüstzustand 6, not Rüstsatz VI. And Rüstzustand 6 is correct for the bad-/all-weather version.

GM-1 is /U2, I assume that was just a typo above.


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