Crashed/abandoned aircraft, pilot ID's ?
 

From a crashed enemy aircraft report, dated 20/09/1944.

Fw 190 A-8, Le Mesnel, Garner, 5+(yellow) Werk Nr 1711451.
Ju 88, possibly S-3, South-East of Carantilly, Werk Nr 330713.
Ju 88, Les Biards, Werk Nr 6603.
Me 109 G-6, N/W of St Pierre sur Dives, Werk Nr 109163860, 9+1 (black), VT+FI.
Me 109G-6, 1 mile S/E of St Pierre sur Dives, Werk Nr 165145, 11+(white).
Fw 190 A-6, Evere Airfield, Werk Nr 650833, B 68 painted in white on rudder, noted as the most heavily armed Fw 190 being found, so far, fited with 2 x MG 131, 13 mm, 2 x MG 151, 20 mm, and 2 x Mk 108, 30 mm.

I would like to find the names of pilots and crews of these aircraft, and their units?
Thanks
Joe

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Dear Joe,

According to G.R. Morrison, Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 165145 "Weisse 11" had the "NJ+PA" Stkz. Unfortunately, no details as to it's pilot nor unit. The same is true for Bf 109 G-6 W.Nr. 163860 "Schwarze 9", III./JG ? Both machines were found crash landed way after they actually were shot down... A check in Frappé 1999 did not provide any leads.

Cheers
Marc

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Hi Marc,
Thanks very much, there are numerous other aircraft listed in this report, but very few with their Werk Nr's
Cheers
Joe

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1944-07-27, 3./JG 1, FW 190A-8, 171451, 5 gelbe, Le Mesnil-Garnier, 32 km südwestlich Saint-Lô, Absturz nach Luftkampf mit US-Jäger. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Lt Krumme, Gottfried, +
1944-07-28, 2./LG 1, 330713, L1+IK, Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Ofw Hartmannsgruber, Josef, vermißt
Kampfbeobachter Ogfr Weneberger, Karl, vermißt
Bordfunker Uffz Kast, Albert, vermißt
Bordschütze Fw Weidenbeck, Ludwig, vermißt

Matti

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Matti,
Thanks, The 2/LG1 loss info is just what I am looking for, known crash sites with the crew still listed as vermißt.
A copy of the NVM and any further info, such as a "K" report, if there is one, would be most helpful.
Cheers
Joe

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I have the NVM for the 2/LG 1 loss and I am afraid it doesn't give any more details apart from EKM

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Hi Chris,
A copy of the NVM would be helpful, if only for the EKM's, the only member of this crew listed by the VDK is Fw Weidenbeck, missing near Canisy, this is about 5 km east of Carantilly.
The VDK tell me that if this crew were originally buried by the US Army, like many others, any records were not handed over to them, this is a huge problem in the Normandy area.
Thanks
Joe

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Joe:

Hartmannsgruber 62540/304
Wenenberger 62540/288
Kast 62540/300
Weidenbeck 62540/380

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Chris,
Thanks very much.
Joe

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According to what I transcribed from Taghon's LG 1 history, Hartmannsgruber was POW. Did he die from his wounds in captivity?