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Poor flight discipline by Luftw. pilots ==> high accident rates
According to several sources, Luftwaffe pilots often had poor flight discipline, leading to very high rates of accidents. Can anyone point me to more information on this? Particularly the claim at the end that some pilots were executed for violating flight discipline?
And has anyone seen the term "the plague" for this elsewhere? Here is one discussion: Quote:
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From BAMA Freiburg
"RL 2 II/181 21.08.44 Betref. Tote und Verletzte der Lw. Im Flugbetrieb ohne Feindwirkungen. In der Zeit 01.09.39 bis 30.06.44 verlor die Lw ohne Feindeinwirkung: 24577 mann Fl-Personal und mitfliegenden an toten. 5244 wurde schwer Verletzt. 14095 leicht Verletzt. 25.07.44 Aufruf vom RM Göring zur verhütung von Flz-verlusten ohne Feineinwirkung an: LfKdo Reich LfKdo. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 und 10 LwKdo südost GenKdo. I und II Jagdkorps. JaFü Norwegen, Oberitalien, Ostpreussen, Oberschlesien, Süd Frankreich, 6, Bretagne und Balkan. JaAbschnitFüh: Rumänien, Bulgarien, Ostland, Mittelreihn, Ruhrgebiet und Dänemark Alle Verbände und Schulen." Junker |
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Keep the comments coming. You are making an important point. |
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From BAMA Freiburg "RL 2 II/181 Can you explain? Thanks. (I'm using Google Translate so I'm probably missing a lot of nuance! ) |
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BAMA=Bundesarchiv in Freiburg Germany.
Junker |
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I wonder how much of these sort of accidents attributed to poor flight discipline could be the result of youthful exuberance and/or lack of judgement. I haven't read much in the way of personal memoirs by Luftwaffe pilots but I can't imagine they were that different to the young men on the allied side & cemeteries around the UK & training airfields in the USA, Canada & other Commonwealth countries associated with the Empire Air Training scheme bear ample witness to the examples "poor flight discipline" of the young men on the allied side.
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Steve - you are 100% correct. Most pilots, and especially fighter pilots, had a huge amount of "youthful exuberance and/or lack of judgement." And it got many of them killed.
So I just finished a comparison of the different air forces in this regard.
My paper is available on my blog, here. I am eager for additional sources and evidence. |
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Now I get your point. Most interesting, especially the attitude of the Luftwaffe aces being trained to 50ies jet status after the war.
Looking at the LW loss rates I´m always wondering about the sheer amount of so-called "Bedienungsfehler" as loss reason. The odd behaviour of the Bf 109 during take-off and landing imho can´t exclusively be the reason for those accidents because the otherwise more stable Fw 190 was involved in such accidents, too Regards Roland |
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