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marek brzkovsky 6th October 2013 12:07

Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Hello.
Can you please help me? It is said that Johannes Steinhoff, the commander of JG 77, achieved 4 victories in September 1944 in Hungary. He himself describes one of them in his memories. In the records (list) of JG 77 is none of them. Does anyone of you know more?
Thank you.
With regards Marek Brzkovský

christian 6th October 2013 19:09

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Hi

In his Flugbuch are 2 Claims on the 29.09.1944. Flight 1097 from Piscolt to Klausenburg (11.15 - 13.45 Uhr), Me Bf 109 G WNr.780890. Hope it helps.

Greetings Christian

Nikita Egorov 6th October 2013 20:36

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Christian,

May I ask you if Steinhoff's Flugbuch for the period July 1942 - February 1943 survived and available somewhere?

GMichalski 6th October 2013 21:43

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
hi, in Johannes (of the forum) info:
22,9.44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
24,9.44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Il-2 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
24,9,44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E N.B N u/c
25,9.44 St./JG 77 Obstlt Bf109 raum Klausenberg Klausenberg area _____ _____ E N.B N u/c

seems all unconfirmed....
regards

Nick Hector 6th October 2013 23:09

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Christian,

Can you tell us the types of aircraft claimed on 29.9.44?

Johannes 7th October 2013 06:49

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Steinhoff made no claim for 29th September 1945, after the four unconfirmed he next claims:-

27th February 1945 2 X Jak-9 Nr.163-164 Stab./Jg7
20th March 1945 Il-2 Nr.165 Stab./Jg7
3rd April 1945 B-17 Nr.166 Jv44
5th April 1945 P-51 Nr.167 Jv44
9th April 1945 P-51 Nr.168 Jv44

Steinhoff had his fair amount of unconfirmed, apart from those for September 1944 they were:-

2nd July 1941 DB-3
9th July 1941 Pe-2
19th Mai 1942 Il-2 at 0840 hrs
22nd May 1942 MiG-1
25th February 1944 B-17
14th July 1944 B-25
25th August 1944 P-38 at 1000 hrs

He once shot down a Russian fighter, the pilot baled-out, he submitted his claim form stating that he didn't actually see the aircraft crash, they wrote back asking why you should think that they would uphold a claim when you admit you didn;t see it crash, Steinhoff wrote back "I just assumed that a pilotless aircraft didn't fly it's self back to base and land safely".....they replied "Unconfirmed" !!

Regards

Johannes

christian 8th October 2013 22:17

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Hi

In the Flugbuch are no Types of his claims for this time.

Greetings Christian

marek brzkovsky 8th October 2013 23:11

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Hello Christian and GMichalski.
Thanks a lot for your help and answers. Each of you is writing about different dates and times.

Christian:
29.9.1944 2x e/a 11.15 – 13.45 Uhr

GMichalski:
22.9.44 Yak-9 E NB N u / c
24.9.44 Il-2 E NB N u/c
24.9.44 Yak-9 E NB N u/c
25.9.44 Bf109 raum Klausenberg E NB N u/c

Can you please write me your sources? Where do your information come from (books, forum, web?). Where can I find it and read it? Thank you very much!
Marek


Dénes Bernád 9th December 2013 20:54

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
I bumped this thread because it deals with the new one started today by Marek.

marek brzkovsky 15th December 2013 21:40

Re: Johannes Steinhoff victories
 
Hello mr Bernád,

Don´t you know any details, more information about these victories?

Marek Brzkovský


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