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marek brzkovsky 4th November 2013 14:44

Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
Hallo.
Could you please someone help me?
Ernst Obermaier has written in his book "
Die Ritterkreuzträger der Luftwaffe" , that Johannes Steinhoff had shot down 3 Soviet and 3 American airplanes, when he was at the Unit JV 44.

I have found this:


End of Februar (28. 2. 1945 ?) Il-2 Steinhoff, Johannes: In Letzter Stunde
End of March (27.3. 1945?) 2x Soviet fighter Steinhoff, Johanes: In Letzter Stunde
8. 4. 1945 B-24 Steinhoff, Johannes: In Letzter Stunde
8. 4. 1945 P-51 Toliver/Constable: Das Waren Deutschen Jagdflieger asse
17. 4. 1945 B-17 Steinhoff, Johannes: In Letzter Stunde

Please, can you verify (confirm) this from some oficial sources?

Thank you very much for your help.

Brzkovskę Marek.

Jim P. 5th November 2013 01:31

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
Can't state with complete certainty that these are entirely accurate, and some may be duplicates, but here is what I've compiled from various sources.

Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberstltn., , , JV 44, 22-Feb-45, Il-2, -, -, ., -, , yes, Foreman/Harvey, Me 262 Combat Diary, , Fleischer/Rys, Me 262, II,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 27-Mar-45, Il-2 *, Raum Oder, -, ., -, , yes, Forsyth, JV 44, , , *Date uncertain
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 03-Apr-45, B-17, -, -, ., -, , yes, Steinhoff FB, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 05-Apr-45, P-51, -, -, ., -, , yes, Forsyth, JV 44, , Steinhoff FB,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 05-Apr-45, P-51, -, -, ., -, , yes, Steinhoff FB, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 08-Apr-45, B-24, -, -, ., -, , yes, Fleischer/Rys, Me 262, II, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 08-Apr-45, B-17, Raum Stuttgart, -, ., -, , yes, Foreman/Harvey, Me 262 Combat Diary, , ,
Steinhoff, Johannes, Oberst, , , JV 44, 17-Apr-45, B-17, München, -, ., -, , yes, Fleischer: Me 262, II, , , collision

GMichalski 7th November 2013 12:55

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
hi,
i think he have in the microfilms:
3 claims in JG7
3 in JV44

27,2.45 St./JG 7 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E
27,2.45 St./JG 7 Obstlt Yak-9 _____ _____ E
20,3.45 St./JG 7 Obstlt Il-2 _____ _____ E
3,4.45 JV 44 Obstlt B-17 09?? _____ W
5,4.45 JV 44 Obstlt P-51 Reim Reim _____ _____ W
9,4.45 JV 44 Obstlt P-51 121? _____ W


but Johannes have more info... i send him a mail...

regards

marek brzkovsky 9th November 2013 19:51

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
Hello.
Where do these 6 victories come from? From microfish of LufftwaffeŽs victories?
JV 44 wasnŽt involved in fights nor on April the 3rd nor April the 9th in the year 1945
I know for sure that on April the 8th 1945 in the fight, when
Fä
hrmann was shot down (at 16:15 Lt. Usiatynski from 358. FG), Steinhoff has shot down B-24 and P-51.

Thank you.
Marek Brzkovskę

GMichalski 10th November 2013 12:17

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
hi,
seems a date error, iŽll ask to Johannes,
please waiting him response directly or by me indirectly...

regards

marek brzkovsky 10th November 2013 13:50

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
Thank you.

Brzkovskę Marek

Heuser 10th November 2013 17:07

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marek brzkovsky (Post 175103)
I know for sure that on April the 8th 1945 in the fight, when Fährmann was shot down (at 16:15 Lt. Usiatynski from 358. FG), Steinhoff has shot down B-24 and P-51

Neither 8th nor 15th Af lost any B-24s over Germany on 08.04.1945. Further only a single P-51 was shot down by Flak.

Regards

Heuser

marek brzkovsky 10th November 2013 18:48

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
Thank you.

The P-51 shot down next to Munchen at 16 hours ???

Brzkovskę Marek

GMichalski 10th November 2013 22:02

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
hi,
can you add some info at the P-51 loss?
i search in my sources and donŽt find anything...

regards

Heuser 10th November 2013 22:43

Re: Steinhoff JV 44 victories
 
Gentlemen

this was P-51 44-64011, 355.FG, 357.FS.

According to MACR 13959, this a/c was hit by Flak around 12.35 hrs while strafing Ansbach a/f.

Pilot was 1./Lt. William J. Cullerton, he died in early 2013.

Regards

Heuser


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