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cheesin 14th December 2013 05:16

emblem of JG7:wolf?fox?greyhounds or weasel?
 
I found that the description of JG7's emblem is various ,very interesting and confused
running wolf ——Luftwaffen Embleme 1939-1945 by Mark Rolfe Barry Ketley
running fox——'Jagdgeschwader 7',by Forsyth
running weasel——Emblems of Jagdwaffe 1936-1945; A More Complete History by Mr. Sinisa Sestanovic

Windhund(or greyhounds) ——memoirs of Walter Schuck

So what really is it? which one is right?
thanks

sidney 14th December 2013 10:20

Re: emblem of JG7:wolf?fox?greyhounds or weasel?
 
According to the statement on the LEMB here http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...howtopic=15609 , post 34, given by Mr. Martin Handig, the co-author of the book Die Deutsche Luftwaffe in Österreich that can be found here http://www.oefh.at/sonderdrucke.html , the creature was indeed the windhund or greyhound.

"... Reading the JG7 Verbandszeichen: it is not a "wild weasel" nor a "running fox", as you can read in uncountable publications. I know for sure this sign refers to Rudolf Sinner (Austrian), who had a Greyhound dog breed collection and he therefore proposed the Greyhound ! This is first hand history by Sinner himself, who shared this true story with a good but unfortunately recently late friend of mine and of the late Rudi Sinner..."

Regards,
Sinisa/Sidney

cheesin 14th December 2013 11:44

Re: emblem of JG7:wolf?fox?greyhounds or weasel?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sidney (Post 176707)
According to the statement on the LEMB here http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/fo...howtopic=15609 , post 34, given by Mr. Martin Handig, the co-author of the book Die Deutsche Luftwaffe in Österreich that can be found here http://www.oefh.at/sonderdrucke.html , the creature was indeed the windhund or greyhound.

"... Reading the JG7 Verbandszeichen: it is not a "wild weasel" nor a "running fox", as you can read in uncountable publications. I know for sure this sign refers to Rudolf Sinner (Austrian), who had a Greyhound dog breed collection and he therefore proposed the Greyhound ! This is first hand history by Sinner himself, who shared this true story with a good but unfortunately recently late friend of mine and of the late Rudi Sinner..."

Regards,
Sinisa/Sidney

thanks so much,Sidney
unfortunately i can't login in the LEMB.but in memoirs,Walter Schuck recalled a story told by Geschwaderkommodore Weissenberger about a countess and her two greyhounds nearby airfield ,and eventually Weissenberger introduced image of the greyhound as Jagdgeschwader emblem
I wonder which resource is more reliable,Sinner or Schuck?
Regards

sidney 14th December 2013 14:04

Re: emblem of JG7:wolf?fox?greyhounds or weasel?
 
You are most welcome. It is impossible for me to tell which source is more reliable since both seem to be the first hand accounts that led to the same conclusion that the running/leaping creature on the JG7 emblem is actually a greyhound. Now, for the benefit of the other members interesting in the subject, will you, or anybody else for that matter scan and post the relevant excerpt from Walter Shuck's memoirs for the ready reference purpose?

Regards,
Sinisa/Sidney

cheesin 14th December 2013 17:04

Re: emblem of JG7:wolf?fox?greyhounds or weasel?
 
【When I reported to Major Weissenberger.I was again struck by the hanging on the painted shield with the greyhound motif hanging on the ops room wall,when I asked Weissenbergerwhat the connection was,he told me thefollowing story:
“close to the airfield there‘s a large estate belonging to a countess ,who owned two greyhounds that used to sneak on to the airfield everyday to be made a fuss of by the men or beg for food.Each evening the two greyhounds would be returned to thecountess,only to turn up back again in the moment they could get away.Realising that they preferred our company to hers,the countess presented me with the two animals,That’s when I got the idea of calling our unit the ”Greyhound Geschwader“,and since then we‘ve included a greyhound in our badge】

Walter Shuck's memoirs Page.190

sidney 14th December 2013 19:56

Re: emblem of JG7:wolf?fox?greyhounds or weasel?
 
Cheesin, many thanks for sharing this excerpt from Walter Shuck's memoirs with the rest of us.

Best Regards,
Sinisa


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