Unknown Emblem on an early Bf 109
 

Dear All,

On David Weiss' excellent website there is a photo here http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/di...otonummer=8319 with an early Bf 109 sporting an emblem in front of the windscreen. Can anyone assist with identifying the Gruppe, whose this aircraft belonged to?

Regards,
Sinisa

Re: Unknown Emblem on an early Bf 109
 

Dear Sidney,

A clear explanation concerning that photo has been given by Jochen in LRG forum.
I can't give you the link, I'm sorry.
If I remember well, Jochen talked about a personnal emblem, some kind of arm skeleton/bones ... whatever.

But, concerning the emblem Under Wind screen .. I agree with you, but without answer.

Regards, Franck.

Re: Unknown Emblem on an early Bf 109
 

stab I./JG21. Personal emblem.

Regards

Robert

Re: Unknown Emblem on an early Bf 109
 

Thank you Gentlemen. I take that the photo was taken sometime in the autumn of 1939 (see the leafless trees) around the time of the Gruppe's conversion to the Bf 109 E1/E3 aircraft.

Regards,
Sinisa

Re: Unknown Emblem on an early Bf 109
 

Hi,

this emblem was later painted on Bf109E.

Regards

Robert

Re: Unknown Emblem on an early Bf 109
 

Dear Sidney,

We have two emblems on this machine. Normal one under windscreen and personal one between <I and cross featuring a boned arm (Correct English?) handling a crane according what has been described by Jochen Prien.

Regards, Franck.

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I think, if I understood how "things" work, we will discover it in future LiF issue...

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Sidney,
I really did appreciate that part of your comment. David really needs that kind of support.
He is not the only one, but I'm not going to write a list.. they already know.
And I don't need/want to receive a comment saying "thanks Franck, Thanks Sidney". Not here at least.
We know what we are talking about; that must be enough.

Since you decide to write that, I had nothing to do but to say "I really did apppreciate your comment".

For the rest, it's up to individual members.

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Post No.6: Franck, thank you for the clarification - to be quite honest, I did not realise that there was a personal emblem between the Stab's "Chevron and bar" and the Balkenkreuz. Also, the emblem in front of the cockpit did not appear like the I./JG 21 emblem to me. Anyway,...

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Hey Sidney,

Me either ... But check the spinner. If we can count on something during this period ... The spinner colour!
That's the reason I fully did accept Jochen comments and having (Jochen, not me) a close shot on this emblem, we can count on that.

That's the reason, too, I didn't accept Bernd comment concerning a "Rote 1"... The spinner colour.
I, of course, can be wrong as usual but I need - we need - strong evidences.