Looking for information about JG 52- Richard Ossing,, Uffz Walter Ehrhardt,, uffz Helmut Pruskowski and ofw Helmut Lidsche and Vladimir Saudtner
 

Hello
I am looking for any kind of info regarding this 1944 war time pilots in jg-52.
They were claiming during first months of 1944 but not after june , and they neither appear on the JG 52 loss list
Please let me know wbout their fate late in the war-
Kind regards
Bogdan

Re: Looking for information about JG 52- Richard Ossing,, Uffz Walter Ehrhardt,, uffz Helmut Pruskowski and ofw Helmut Lidsche and Vladimir Saudtner
 

One of the pilots you are asking for, Vladimir Sandtner, was a member of 15. (Kroatische)/JG 52.

Cheers,
Boris

Re: Looking for information about JG 52- Richard Ossing,, Uffz Walter Ehrhardt,, uffz Helmut Pruskowski and ofw Helmut Lidsche and Vladimir Saudtner
 

See this link;
http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=27933

Likely that each of them was transferred

Don

Re: Looking for information about JG 52- Richard Ossing,, Uffz Walter Ehrhardt,, uffz Helmut Pruskowski and ofw Helmut Lidsche and Vladimir Saudtner
 

Bogdan

In late May 1944 each of the Fighter Units on the Eastern Front were ordered to send 1 Staffel from each Gruppe to the west where they were attached to be Units already in the west. I, II,& III./JG 52 sent 2, 4 & 7 Staffel which were attached to III./JG11, II & III./JG3 respectively. When the Jagdgruppen were expanded from 3 Staffeln to 4 Staffeln Gruppen in mid-August 1944 these staffeln became the 4th staffeln to each Gruppen (note that the Channel Jagdgeschwader had already expanded to 4 staffel gruppen in October 43). To confuse the situation, in early June III./JG 11 transferred from the West to the East, thus 2./JG52 went back east and didn’t go the west until later in the year when III./JG11 returned to the West.

As to 4 & 7./JG52 who were attached to II & III./JG3, they went to fight over Normandy and suffered badly. Though technically still part of JG52 until mid August 1944 when they became 8 & 12./JG3 respectively, the losses seem to appear with the attached unit (JG 3).

Therefore

Fw Richard Osing 7./JG52 was KIA 28 July 1944

Uffz Walter Ehrhardt 4./JG52 was WIA 18 July 1944

Ofw Helmut Lidsche (mis-identified in the T Woods files) is actually Gefr Helmut Liebsch 2./JG52 (as identified in the book Geschichte eine Jagdgeschwader I./JG52) who was later WIA 21 September and 24 December 1944 with 12./JG11.

I’m not sure about Gefr Helmut Pruskowski but I believe he ended up in JG11 so must have transferred from 1./JG52 to 2./JG52 shortly before departure to JG11.

As to Uffz Vladimir Sandtner, this is a different story. Sandtner was one of the reinforcement pilots for 15 (Croat)./JG52 trained by the Germans (JG 104), however when he and some of his colleagues were transferred to JG52 in March 1944 they arrived on the Eastern Front after 15(Croat)./JG52 was already withdrawn back to Croatia. Instead of being sent immediately to 15./JG52 they were attached to other JG52 Staffeln (mostly in III./JG52) until they were released in July 1944 to return to Croatia. Sandtner deserted to Italy on 16 April 1945, thus survived the war.

Regards,

Craig…