Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum

Luftwaffe and Allied Air Forces Discussion Forum (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/index.php)
-   Luftwaffe and Axis Air Forces (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/forumdisplay.php?f=8)
-   -   A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944 (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=4172)

cbe2009 5th March 2006 11:09

A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
Hello!
I am searching for a fighter pilot, Gefreiter Johann Georg Kilgus, who fell in combat on february 10. 1944 in France.
I am looking for the circumstances, aircraft and codes, if possible.
I have a picture of the pilot, if anyone would like a scan.
Thank You in advance
Christian

Matti Salonen 5th March 2006 12:51

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
I have the following info in my database:

1944-02-10, JG 105, NAA 57, Serial no 67, code 53, Bei Chateauroux, Jägerbeschuss. Bruch 100 %.
FF Johann Kilgus, * 1922-03-15, Grab Champigny-St.André/Frankreich, Block 6, Grab 672

Best regards,

Matti Salonen

brewerjerry 5th March 2006 22:39

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
Hi
F/O D. McGibbon of 266Sq flying Typhoon JP512, claimed three a/c of this type shot down on 10 Feb 44.
F/L Cassie of 193Sq attacked a formation of this type also.
If you are interested I have a group photo of the RAF pilots by a typhoon after the mission of this day, ( includes F/O McGibbon & F/L Cassie ), and a copy of a combat report that might interest you, not sure if it refers to this particular NAA 57.
I would be very interested in a scan of the photo of Gefreiter Johann Georg Kilgus.
Cheers
Jerry

cbe2009 5th March 2006 22:53

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
Matti and Jerry!
Thank You VERY much for these highly valuable informations!
I will of course send You a scan of Kilgus.
All the best
Christian

RT 6th March 2006 13:06

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
It seems that, they had time to appriciate the damages, 4 NAA57 hs been damaged/lost 2+2 that day, all in Versailles area western part

rt

Laurent Rizzotti 6th March 2006 13:44

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
Just to complete the above posts.

JG 105 was not a frontline fighter unit but an operationnal training unit (like all JG between 101 and 112), that is the last step in training before going to frontline units.

These units used a mixture of outdated fighters of German, French and Italian origin and of advanced training aircraft. The NAA 57 in which your man was lost was of the second category. It was a version of the American well-known trainer T-6 Texan (story and picture here: http://ajbs.com/Anglais/MuseeGB/T-6-...History-UK.htm).

Even if operationnal training units may send fighters against enemy raids in their area, usually flown by the instructors and most advanced trainees, most of the losses they suffered to enemy action were during training flights that were attacked by marauding Allied aircraft, like the Typhoon mentionned above. These attacks became so costly that in spring 1944 most of these units retired from France, where most of them were based, to Germany.

At the time of the above loss, JG 105 was based on the airfields of Chartres and Bourges, both SW of Paris.

canonne 6th March 2006 19:34

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
Bonjour,
My name is Philippe Canonne. I am writing a book concerning the airwar over Chateauroux area (bombings, strafing, crashed a/c, escaped pilots, JG 103 etc ...). I am searching any eye witness, archives, historians, air enthusiasts, informations about this subject. I am working with French underground units and American , British and German contacts or veterans.
Please if you want we would be very happy and honored to work with you.
Any sources will be mention! your name, quality,etc all help is needed.
This air action will have a chapter.It will be have informations on German and British side for this ar action.
Please feel free to contact me.
Thank you very much
regards
Phil. Canonne
canonne.phil@wanadoo.fr

brewerjerry 6th March 2006 20:25

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cbe2009
Matti and Jerry!
Thank You VERY much for these highly valuable informations!
I will of course send You a scan of Kilgus.
All the best
Christian

Hi Christian,
I would be most grateful for a scanned copy of the photo, my e-mail is jezbrew@yahoo.com.
If you require a copy of the combat report or the photo I mentioned let me know.
Cheers
Jerry

cbe2009 7th March 2006 08:41

Re: A Jagdstaffel pilot in France Feb. 10, 1944
 
Hello again!
Now having read all this highly fascinating informations, I would like to ask, if there is anyone, who knows the colorschemes of NAA 57's from JG 105.
I would like to build a model of the plane mentioned.
Once again, thank You very much.
Christian


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 13:01.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, 12oclockhigh.net