Some questions about 1.(F)/122
 

Hi friends,

I try to get some more informations about my father as observer in 1.(F)/122.
All I have are memories of conversations that I had with him as I was young.
Time range to discuss : 16 may 1940 - 25 april 1941, Norway, Ju 88 (G ?)

1.) Blenheims
He told me that there were lots of trouble with them because they were something like annoying flies who always disturbing the daily job. So there was a claim over an Blenheim. My question :
Are there any Blenheim shotdowns by 1.(F)/122 in this time and if - any namens of the crew ?

2.) Accident of an comrades crew
My father told me that they lost a crew in an flying accident.
This crew flew into a fiord to see if there are enemy ships.
The reasons for the accident were unclear - it was said poor visibility, lack of experience. So they flew up to the end of the fiord, the pilot starts climbing to late so they crashed in to the fiords end mountains.
Are there any known informations of accidents in 1.(F)/122 like this ?
Maybe names of the crew ?

3.) May 1940 - V.A. Cunningham’s Convoy
Was 1.(F)/122 envolved in discovering this convoy and if - what was happend ?

Friends - any help to enlighten all this is really appreciated even it´s a little spark in the dark ;*)

Best Regards - Rainer

Most important of all :
Many thanks to Andrew Mitchell and his great Luftwaffedata website !!

Re: Some questions about 1.(F)/122
 

Maybe this:
1940-05-12, 1.(F)/122, He 111 H-3, 5640, F6+DH, Vannøya, 70 km nordnordöstlich Tromsø, Hindernisberührung infolge Schlechtwetter um 07.30 Uhr. Bruch 100 %.
Flugzeugführer Uffz Karnapp, Otto, +
Beobachter Hptm Caesar, Edgar, +
Bordfunker Uffz Müller, Hans-Joachim, +
Bordwart Uffz Ableitner, Georg, +

Matti

Re: Some questions about 1.(F)/122
 

Hi Matti,

thank you for the info, this accident I know - means this :
https://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/vanna.html

means that in this years they flew on He111 ?

Rainer

Re: Some questions about 1.(F)/122
 

According to the reported losses 1.(F)/122 used He 111 till August 1940 and replaced then this type with Ju 88 A-1/5. In Spring 1941 they started to use Ju 88 D-2.

1.(F)/122 losses in 1940:

1940-01-03 He 111 H-2 5583 Bei Fl.Pl. Uetersen Infolge Aussetzens der Motore abgestürzt. Bruch 50 %.
1940-01-13 He 111 H-2 F6+LH 25 km östlich Fifeness, Fifeshire Absturz infolge Beschuß von Hurricane. Bruch 100 %.
1940-03-21 He 111 H-3 Handewitt bei Flensburg Notlandung wegen Betriebestoffmangels. Bruch 100 %.
1940-03-28 He 111 H-2 Zwischen Shetland-Inseln und Island Absturz in See infolge Feindbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1940-04-22 He 111 H Stoerensee bei Drontheim Notlandung. Bergung nicht möglich. Bruch 100 %.
1940-04-25 He 111 H Nordsee Unbekannt. Bruch 100 %.
1940-04-27 He 111 H Fl.Pl. Stavanger Beschuß durch feindliche Jäger. Flugzeug kommandiert von KG 26. Bruch 65 %.
1940-04-27 He 111 P-2 2117 Storvatnet, Agdenes Notlandung infolge Beschuß von Gladiators. Bruch 100 %.
1940-05-05 He 111 H Bodö Erdbeschuß bei Angriff auf 2 Sunderland-Flugboote. Bruch ? %.
1940-05-12 He 111 H-3 5640 F6+DH Vannøya, 70 km nordnordöstlich Tromsø Hindernisberührung infolge Schlechtwetter. Bruch 100 %.
1940-05-26 He 111 H Mo bei Rombaken Notlandung nach Luftkampf mit Gladiator der 263 Sqn (F/Lt Williams, A.T. und Sgt Milligan, G.S.). Bruch 100 %.
1940-05-28 He 111 H Dijon Luftkampf mit Jägern. Bruch ? %.
1940-08-17 He 111 H-3 F6+FH Niederstütter bei Hattingen Bei Überfliegen des Sperrgebiets von eigener Flak geschossen. Bruch 100 %.
1940-08-24 Ju 88 A-1 Bei Boulogne Beschuß durch eigene Flak. Bruch 70 %.
1940-09-12 Ju 88 A-1 880318 F6+NH Bei Cap Gris Nez Absturz in See infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1940-10-03 Ju 88 A-1 880328 F6+BH Bei Harwich Absturz infolge Jägerbeschuß. Bruch 100 %.
1940-10-16 Ju 88 A-1 885047 F6+LH Lille-Vendeville Bruchlandung nach Feindbeschuß. Bruch 60 %.
1940-11-16 Bf 110 C-5 2262 Fl.Pl. Saint-Omer Bruchlandung. Bruch 70 %.

Matti

Re: Some questions about 1.(F)/122
 

Rainer,

This is what de Zeng and Stankey have for Caesar in the latest edition of their masterwork.

CAESAR, Edgar. (DOB: 10.06.12). 01.04.31 entered service with the Kriegsmarine. 01.05.35 trf to the
Luftwaffe and enrolled in Fliegerschule Warnemünde for Beobachter (observer) training. 01.12.35 trf to
Fliegerstaffel (M) Kiel-Holtenau as a Beobachter. 18.09.36 received the Lw. Beobachter license.
01.10.36 trf to 1.(M).Kü.Fl.Gr. 106 (Norderney). 01.10.37 appt Kp.-Chef Flieger-Ers.Abt.(See) 26 (later
renamed Flieger-Ausb.Btl. 26). 01.01.39 promo to Hptm. 05.01.39 attended Hö. Lw.-Schule Berlin-
Gatow (7. Lehrgang) (to 31.03.39). 01.05.39 Generalstab training at the Luftkriegsakademie Berlin-Gatow
(to 15.02.40). 25.08.39 ordered temporary duty to Abt. W.Pr./OKW (to 30.09.39). 01.10.39 ordered
temporary duty to 2./Kü.Fl.Gr. 506 (to 30.10.39). 16.02.40 Hptm., appt Staka 1.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 122 (to
12.05.40). 09.04.40 Hptm., Staka 1.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 122. 12.05.40 Hptm., Staka 1.(F)/Aufkl.Gr. 122 KIA –
in He 111 H-3 (F6+DH) that flew into a hillside on island of Vanna (Troms)/Norway during a recce
mission. His records give 15.05.40 as date of death, so he may have died of injuries after the accident.
Buried at Narvik.

Re: Some questions about 1.(F)/122
 

Also from my May 1940 page

1 May 1940 – He 111s from 1(F)./122 found Vice-Admiral Cunningham’s naval force west of Namsos and Vice-Admiral Edwards-Collin’s units further south. As a consequence of this Cunningham’s ships were attacked by elements of II./KG 26.

See Shores - Fledgling Eagles p303 and also reference same p302.