Russian Bostons lost 1945
 

Can anyone supply details of these losses. Both are apparently victims of JG52.

20/01/1945 A-20G Boston lost at Stuhlweißenburg c1600

14/03/1945 A-20G Boston lost at Stuhlweißenburg c1700

regards

Keith

Re: Russian Bostons lost 1945
 

For the short answer

20.1.45 A-20G-40-DO Havoc, 43-21264 of 449 BAP, 244 BAD, 17 VA. Crew of Lt. Gapanovich. Credited to Ewald

14.3.45 A-20G-40-DO Havoc 43-21519 of 861 BAP, 244 BAD, 17 VA. Lt. Bahvalov and crew all KIA. Credited to Duettmann

For the long answer

I can't do any better than refer you to this previous thread in the forum. As you will see, the contribution by Gavor Horvath was absolutely phenomenal, raise a glass to the man

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=1262

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Agreed and acknowledged :) I have pencil notes all over my ww2 air combat books courtesy of information provided by him and many others on this forum. For us in the West they are the go-to guys when you need answers about LW and VVS combat. Without their input there's very little to read.

best regards

Keith

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Well I hope you have been able to benefit from my research as well, even though I am but a small fish in comparison...

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Keith,
Stuhlweißenburg = City of Székesfehérvár
It's not so easy, pick "yours":

Soviet Boston losses on January 20, 1945 over Hungary:

17 VA, 244 BAD, 449 BAP A-20B, S/N: 41-3564, at Fadd, Hungary at 16:07 local time, 2 Bf 109, - Krivtsov crew.
17 VA, 244 BAD, 449 BAP A-20G, S/N: 42-53865, at Udvari-NE, Hungary at 16:00 local time, 4 Fw 190F, 2 Bf 109, - up to 10 attacks!!!! - Korotkov crew.
17 VA, 244 BAD, 449 BAP A-20G, S/N: 43-21264, at Sásd, Hungary (Polgárdi flak) bombing Polgárdi at 15:30 local time, dogfight on return - Gapanovich crew.
(Plus 4 VA, 327 BAD, 408 BAP A-20G, S/N: 43-21826, No."14", over Poland, - Kuznetsov crew.)

Soviet Boston losses on March 14, 1945 over Hungary:

17 VA, 244 BAD, 260 BAP: A-20G, S/N: 43-21603, at Tatárszentgyörgy, Hungary at 13:20 local time, downed by Kálmán István (Hungarian 101/7.Sq. Bf 109G) - Zacharov crew.
17 VA, 244 BAD, 260 BAP: A-20G, S/N: 42-86706, at Sárosd-NE, Hungary at 17:11 local time, flak, plus 3 Fw 190F, - Tsallagov crew.
17 VA, 244 BAD, 260 BAP: A-20G, S/N: 43-9274, Red"4" bellied in at Sombor airfield 3 km, - Pavlov crew.
17 VA, 244 BAD, 449 BAP: A-20B, S/N: 41-3643, at Szabadszállás, Hungary at 16:42 local time, 7 Bf 109 and 2 Fw 190F, downed by 3 Bf 109, - another Pavlov crew.
17 VA, 244 BAD, 861 BAP: A-20G, S/N: 42-86876, at Sárosd, Hungary at 12:55 local time, ~Ewald, 16 Fw 190F, Bf 109, (Ме-110?), - Kropaniev crew.
17 VA, 244 BAD, 861 BAP: A-20G, S/N: 43-21519, at Pálinkaházpuszta, Hungary at 12:55 local time, ~Düttmann, - Bahvalov crew.

(Plus 3 temporarily lost Bostons, all repaired later.)

(Sources: TsAMO, - Central Military Archives of Russia. (Podolsk, Russian Federation)
I hope this helps. Note: Bahvalov's Boston No.43-21519 has been recovered at Pálinkaházpuszta (farm) at Seregélyes-W, see attached pic.

Gabor

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Thanks again Nick and Gabor. I always acknowledge my appreciation by tagging the "reputation" button at the top left of the message. Without your help I'd be searching in the dark without a lucifer. :)

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Thanks, but I rather stay Gabor, no business with Lucifer.

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:)

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For Keith: What's the reputation button that you speak of?

For Gabor: I think in this case, Keith refers to Lucifers as being an old-fashioned brand of safety match. Hence: in the dark without a Lucifer.

For both of you: 17 VA, 244 BAD, 449 BAP: A-20B, S/N: 41-3643, at Szabadszállás, Hungary at 16:42 local time, 7 Bf 109 and 2 Fw 190F, downed by 3 Bf 109, - another Pavlov crew. I guess this might account for Batz's Boston claim that day, even if only by process of elimination... (Yes, I know what a weak argument that is....)

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Oh, and one other thing. Could one or some of you kind researchers start turning the surviving TsAMO files into some kind of book series, rather like the Bill Chorley Bomber Command losses ones and the Hey and Bishop Losses of the US 8th & 9th Air Forces...????

Seriously... Free drinks for life from all the rest of us for the first one of you guys that does that!