Engine identification.
 

Can anyone find any info on this please. Jumo 211 engine pulled from the sea near Cartagena Spain. Or any AC lost in the area that could have been fitted with this engine.

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Re: Engine identification.
 

Hello noggin,

I do not think that the Typenschild that you include is a Jumo 211 Typenschild.

Rather, it is from: Theodor Klatte Metallwarenfabrik, Bremen-Huching (Hersteller code=jdo). This company produced aircraft parts including exhaust manifolds and other sheet metal parts.

Steve Sheflin

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I might be from He 111 series (look at exhust stack).
Prop blades, VS II (Wood) might be gone, broken or rottened?
(DB´s on He´s never had these, I think, just Jumo 211 F´s on from He 111 H-6 onwards).
But lots of He´s with metal VDM blades were lost near/in Spain.
Do we see metal blades broken off prop hub?
-Ed

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100% the data label is for the exhaust stack only.

Jumo 211 D...

He111- H6

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Nope, illustrated is Jumo 211 F engine with VS II (Schwartz wooden blade design).
Having studied the He 111 loosely, the Jumo 211 D was much older engine (1938-39?), long out of production when the H-6 series appeared (1941). -Ed

Wikipedia: "The first prototype aircraft powered by the 211A appeared in late 1937.[citation needed]
Junkers Jumo 211B/D engine at the Luftwaffenmuseum der Bundeswehr
Development of the 211 continued with the 211B being released in 1938, with a slightly increased maximum RPM of 2,400 which boosted power to 1,200 PS (1,200 hp; 880 kW). The later 211C and 211D differed primarily in the propeller gear ratios and other features. A major upgrade was started in 1940 in order to better compete with the 601, following in its footsteps with a pressurized cooling system. The resulting 211E proved to be able to run at much higher power settings without overheating, so it was quickly followed by the 211F which included a strengthened crankshaft and a more efficient supercharger. Running at 2,600 RPM the 211F delivered 1,340 PS (1,320 hp; 990 kW) and the 211J (a 211F with intercooler) 1,420 PS (1,400 hp; 1,040 kW). Further improvements to this basic line led to the 1,450 PS (1,430 hp; 1,070 kW) 211N and 1,500 PS (1,500 hp; 1,100 kW) 211P in 1943, they were equivalent to the 211F/J but with slight boost increases and running at up to 2,700 rpm. Continued development of the 211 line evolved into the Jumo 213."

I might add, some motors in museum´s are fitted with broken wood props. Like Ju 88 A-4 / Fw 190 Mistel at Farnborough, likely only for display purposes (not original for Jumo 211 B/D engines, but fitted same crankshaft).
(But Ju 88 A-4 / Fw 190 Misteln were tested)

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I have asked the finder to send more details and pictures to help. Here's another pic he sent earlier. Does this look post crash damage or evidence of what may have caused it ?

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Exhaust with flame exterminators ( Flammenvernichter ) for night fighter ...

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He says the prop that is left in the mountings are wood.

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The photos show a Jumo 211 F. The He 111 never had the 211 J.

And the Wikipedia article on the engine is complete nonsense. The English Wikipedia seems to be even worse than the German.

I will deal with the development of the Jumo 211 in detail in my book about the Ju 88.

Peter

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I am very glad to hear about (really?) new book on the Junkers 88. Will it be in an international understandable language or only for middle Earth readers? If in the latter it cold possibly delay further the 70+ years truth on this wonderful airplane. My progress on this has been rather slow last years but never totally stop. So what happens if I find errors in your research?

Now seriously Peter - I have corrected and traced my error. I read wrong column in Lieferplan 19/4 (01.07.41) (g.Kdos.Nr. 1374/41) in my He 111 research manuscript - I was about He 111 J as Mustereinbau Fu G XXV having Jumo 211 D-1 not Jumo 211 J-1. My apologies. Interestingly this same papers also list BMW 800 engines in He 111 H W.Nr. 5401 but could not say when(if) possible for realisation.